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Post by Figgles on Jul 21, 2021 21:00:10 GMT
But it's obviously wrong. Regardless of valid reasons to have it, it's very easy to identify valid reasons not to have it. I disagree. I contend there is no valid reason to not take the shot. Another scientist/virologist here, (Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche) who is absolutely not anti-vax, but who has grave concerns not only re: side effects of the Covid vax, but who fears it will be the vax that sets off more dangerous variants; |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 21, 2021 21:07:37 GMT
Farmer....the following story is one that exemplifies my reason for trust in one side over the other....this dude invented mRNA technology....clearly 'an expert' in the field, but big tech. is censoring his medical opinion....why? If he's completely out to lunch on his views, a very public, very transparent debate with medical experts who supposedly know better would be far more convincing than silencing dissenting views by simply cancelling them off the internet. Yep. The censorship of many legitimate experts is solid evidence that what is happening is about much more than 'saving lives'. If it were really about saving lives, there would be open debate every step of the way. Robert Malone also said a few days ago that he had been advised by a journalist he knows that he should get security on the basis his life could be in danger. Yes, precisely. So many indicators it was never really a concern for saving lives... As soon as it became evident the role that obesity played, if it was really about saving lives, the messaging would have centered on diet/lifestyle choices and exercising to get weight under control....what with all that time folks had on their hands during lockdowns...instead, most who were fat, just got fatter...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 23:02:12 GMT
Farmer....the following story is one that exemplifies my reason for trust in one side over the other....this dude invented mRNA technology....clearly 'an expert' in the field, but big tech. is censoring his medical opinion....why? If he's completely out to lunch on his views, a very public, very transparent debate with medical experts who supposedly know better would be far more convincing than silencing dissenting views by simply cancelling them off the internet. I read about your Dr. Malone.. There are bigger issues than that in play. Much bigger. Bigger than covid. Bigger than Trump even. In a way I would enjoy the topic.. but I would be playing the part of the antagonist.. and that might take more stamina than I have to give.. especially since it would all be for naught anyway.. believers gotta believe.. |
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Post by Esponja on Jul 22, 2021 0:03:34 GMT
the analogy wasn't meant to be covid related.. it was 'extremely low probability of something happening' related and to continue with it.. obviously.. with so many more people in the water now there are going to be more reported attacks how many people have gotten vaccinated and had no serious problems? how many people took the shot and had serious enough side effects that they had to be hospitalized? how many have died from the vaccine? how many have died from the virus? Well, it's about risk/benefit. There's absolutely no doubt that the vax is risky, the question is, how many lives is it saving? To give you context, in the UK, MDMA is a class A drug. Over 30 years, hundreds of millions of tablets have been taken, and there have been approx 1000 deaths. It's a class A drug because it is considered 'dangerous'. According to the report system, more people than that have died following the vax just this year, so the vax IS dangerous. But, is it also saving lives? If I give it the benefit of the doubt, and ignore some of the experts that speak of the potential of long lasting damage they could be doing.......then yes, I think it is saving the lives of many that are vulnerable. Is it saving young people's lives? I really don't think so. The original question you asked was, is there a valid reason not to have it? I gave you a list of about 18 reasons. Laffy gave you some. Fig has given you some. Maybe Spongy too. Personally, I would say ANY reason for not having it is valid, even if it's one that just seems completely ludicrous. But even by the standards of someone that likes to judge people's reasons for doing things, there are....at least.... definite valid reasons for young people not to have the vax. |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 22, 2021 9:39:52 GMT
Well, it's about risk/benefit. There's absolutely no doubt that the vax is risky, the question is, how many lives is it saving? To give you context, in the UK, MDMA is a class A drug. Over 30 years, hundreds of millions of tablets have been taken, and there have been approx 1000 deaths. It's a class A drug because it is considered 'dangerous'. According to the report system, more people than that have died following the vax just this year, so the vax IS dangerous. But, is it also saving lives? If I give it the benefit of the doubt, and ignore some of the experts that speak of the potential of long lasting damage they could be doing.......then yes, I think it is saving the lives of many that are vulnerable. Is it saving young people's lives? I really don't think so. The original question you asked was, is there a valid reason not to have it? I gave you a list of about 18 reasons. Laffy gave you some. Fig has given you some. Maybe Spongy too. Personally, I would say ANY reason for not having it is valid, even if it's one that just seems completely ludicrous. But even by the standards of someone that likes to judge people's reasons for doing things, there are....at least.... definite valid reasons for young people not to have the vax. At this point, I am sure they will try to come for the kids. Like the vax passes, there's been a constant backwards and forwards, but overall, the movement is tip toe forwards. Again though, just because I observe the movement doesn't mean that I think they will get what they want. The vax pass is now a big issue here. And yet, even with our issues, I look at what is happening in Sydney and think....'Yikes!!' |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 22, 2021 17:35:40 GMT
Farmer....the following story is one that exemplifies my reason for trust in one side over the other....this dude invented mRNA technology....clearly 'an expert' in the field, but big tech. is censoring his medical opinion....why? If he's completely out to lunch on his views, a very public, very transparent debate with medical experts who supposedly know better would be far more convincing than silencing dissenting views by simply cancelling them off the internet. I read about your Dr. Malone.. There are bigger issues than that in play. Much bigger. Bigger than covid. Bigger than Trump even. In a way I would enjoy the topic.. but I would be playing the part of the antagonist.. and that might take more stamina than I have to give.. especially since it would all be for naught anyway.. believers gotta believe.. You've read about Dr. Malone. Yes, I can only imagine precisely what you've learned. Smear campaigns abound. What I've noticed is that quite literally every dr....every scientists that dares to speak up against the Covid/vaccine narrative, who somehow despite all the rampant online censorship, manages to be heard and to garner an audience, gets smeared to some degree by the main stream players. If it were just 'some' of them, that would be one thing....but, really, it's the predictability of the back-lash/intent to discredit all of 'em, that makes it so darned obvious. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 22, 2021 17:37:31 GMT
At this point, I am sure they will try to come for the kids. Like the vax passes, there's been a constant backwards and forwards, but overall, the movement is tip toe forwards.Again though, just because I observe the movement doesn't mean that I think they will get what they want. The vax pass is now a big issue here. And yet, even with our issues, I look at what is happening in Sydney and think....'Yikes!!' Exactly....that's precisely what I thinking about yesterday in trying to explain some of the more positive moves that seemingly speak against a deep conspiracy where all this is concerned. They gain ground, give up a little just to make it all look good and then at a later date, reverse that decision. |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 22, 2021 17:52:40 GMT
At this point, I am sure they will try to come for the kids. Like the vax passes, there's been a constant backwards and forwards, but overall, the movement is tip toe forwards.Again though, just because I observe the movement doesn't mean that I think they will get what they want. The vax pass is now a big issue here. And yet, even with our issues, I look at what is happening in Sydney and think....'Yikes!!' Exactly....that's precisely what I thinking about yesterday in trying to explain some of the more positive moves that seemingly speak against a deep conspiracy where all this is concerned. They gain ground, give up a little just to make it all look good and then at a later date, reverse that decision. Yes. On reflection for a moment, I think that's what triggers emotion in me most intensely, and they do these turnarounds a lot. Our 'vaccine Tsar' said just a couple of weeks ago that there were no plans for vax passes, had even said they are discriminatory. Now the plan is for them to be used quite broadly. It's the sense of....''but you frickin said...'' that hits me in the gut. The blatant dishonesty. After today's events, my willingness to trust any 'assurances' has taken a final hit I think.. the last straw.... so perhaps the emotional hit will also now lessen. |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 22, 2021 17:53:38 GMT
I read about your Dr. Malone.. There are bigger issues than that in play. Much bigger. Bigger than covid. Bigger than Trump even. In a way I would enjoy the topic.. but I would be playing the part of the antagonist.. and that might take more stamina than I have to give.. especially since it would all be for naught anyway.. believers gotta believe.. You've read about Dr. Malone. Yes, I can only imagine precisely what you've learned. Smear campaigns abound. What I've noticed is that quite literally every dr....every scientists that dares to speak up against the Covid/vaccine narrative, who somehow despite all the rampant online censorship, manages to be heard and to garner an audience, gets smeared to some degree by the main stream players. If it were just 'some' of them, that would be one thing....but, really, it's the predictability of the back-lash/intent to discredit all of 'em, that makes it so darned obvious. Yep. Trust the science... ...No, not THAT science. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 22, 2021 18:51:18 GMT
Exactly....that's precisely what I thinking about yesterday in trying to explain some of the more positive moves that seemingly speak against a deep conspiracy where all this is concerned. They gain ground, give up a little just to make it all look good and then at a later date, reverse that decision. Yes. On reflection for a moment, I think that's what triggers emotion in me most intensely, and they do these turnarounds a lot. Our 'vaccine Tsar' said just a couple of weeks ago that there were no plans for vax passes, had even said they are discriminatory. Now the plan is for them to be used quite broadly. It's the sense of....''but you frickin said...'' that hits me in the gut. The blatant dishonesty. After today's events, my willingness to trust any 'assurances' has taken a final hit I think.. the last straw.... so perhaps the emotional hit will also now lessen. Yes, totally get that. Our premier had promised 'no more lockdowns' not too long before he implemented the last one. It's almost as though they are playing a game of sorts where they are trying to just wear people down....to perhaps get folks to accept that lying and going back on their word is simply part and parcel of governing. Who knows.... |
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