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Post by Enigma on Aug 24, 2020 21:05:28 GMT
Reflected in the last few days....this might be something Fig mentioned....but I think the 'globalists' have been very surprised at the overall lack of co-operation they have faced from large areas of the world. I think the plan they have put in place has basically failed (they may come up with something new, who knows). From what I understand, they have a morality of sorts, in which they are somewhat obliged to acknowledge what people say they want... so if folks express an unwillingness to go with their plan, they have to acknowledge that (and then perhaps try a new plan). Way I see it, is that because our spirit is free, the more control is exerted on humanity, the more people have to awaken to the true nature of spirit. In a sense, a game they can't ultimately win. Or as Princess Leia once said...'the more you tighten your grip, the more slips through your fingers'. Anyway, I've appreciated this thread. I'm surprised to hear about a 'morality of sorts', as I often get the sense that the string pullers are absolutely ruthless. i.e. arranging to send covid patients to elderly care facilities, worldwide, no doubt resulting in tens of thousands of deaths, maybe more. |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 24, 2020 21:43:26 GMT
Yes, I've expressed my own reluctance to go very far down the rabbit hole. There is still much that I'm not buying into, but now we're seeing much of the conspiracy theories turning to fact before our eyes, and I've aligned with the likes of Tucker Carlson and David Icke and Steven Greer, which is a new experience for me. Yes! Me too....and there's a bit of a back and forth going on here.... as I'm aghast on one hand that I trusted and even listened to the news sources I did but on the other hand, I'm pleased to see how easily and quickly I was able to shift from that trust, to skepticism/critical questioning, when faced with evidence, and then to opening to a whole new viewpoint. I've noticed that when others find out about that radical shift in viewpoint, it really shocks and angers some, while it really pleases others. One of our employees, a staunch Trump loving republican, has been chewing on hubby's ear for a few years now, with intense debate sometimes ensuing. When Eric told him of his change of viewpoint, it seemed to actually be kind of life changing for him...someone he respected, finally on board kind of thing. They've kind of been joined at the hip ever since...  Conversely, the cousin who never wants to speak to me again, responded to a fb post of mine where I linked to Trump's new medical Advisor, Dr. Atlas, saying that it was great Fauci was finally out, with "OMG....you trust Trump"?...(She and I used to agree wholeheartedly about the insanity of Trump as Pres)....and so it went from there....hehe... Hubby played a round of golf last week with a group of Trump supporters whom he always felt kind of cold shouldered him because he didn't agree....even with the oh so deadly Corona-virus lurking about, there were hugs and hand-shakes all around.  Human beings...what a crazy lot we are...  You can say that again. |
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Post by muttley on Aug 24, 2020 23:23:30 GMT
Reflected in the last few days....this might be something Fig mentioned....but I think the 'globalists' have been very surprised at the overall lack of co-operation they have faced from large areas of the world. I think the plan they have put in place has basically failed (they may come up with something new, who knows). From what I understand, they have a morality of sorts, in which they are somewhat obliged to acknowledge what people say they want... so if folks express an unwillingness to go with their plan, they have to acknowledge that (and then perhaps try a new plan). Way I see it, is that because our spirit is free, the more control is exerted on humanity, the more people have to awaken to the true nature of spirit. In a sense, a game they can't ultimately win. Or as Princess Leia once said...'the more you tighten your grip, the more slips through your fingers'. Anyway, I've appreciated this thread. Well, the way I see it, the globalists are far from a monolithic group with a shared set of interests, but rather, a coalition of various power centers with interests that sometimes conflict. This is illustrated quite starkly by the strange bedfellows of a multi-national behemoth like, say Alphabet or Apple, and the Marxist Universities like Berkley. We currently have this odd contradiction of the richest guy alive (Bezos) who owns one of the most left-leaning newspapers in the country (The Washington Post). Another example would be the alignment of most of the news media with elitist groups that put on gatherings like Davos, but, more importantly, other gatherings that most people have never heard of.
Tactical retreats and strategic relinquishment of influence in response to cost/benefit happen all the time in war, and war is certainly the state that applies to people obsessed with social and economic power. So I wouldn't make all that much of any apparent flexibility coming out of what we might think (in imperfect shorthand) as the "globalist camp".
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Post by muttley on Aug 24, 2020 23:30:45 GMT
Yes, I've expressed my own reluctance to go very far down the rabbit hole. There is still much that I'm not buying into, but now we're seeing much of the conspiracy theories turning to fact before our eyes, and I've aligned with the likes of Tucker Carlson and David Icke and Steven Greer, which is a new experience for me. Yes! Me too....and there's a bit of a back and forth going on here.... as I'm aghast on one hand that I trusted and even listened to the news sources I did but on the other hand, I'm pleased to see how easily and quickly I was able to shift from that trust, to skepticism/critical questioning, when faced with evidence, and then to opening to a whole new viewpoint. I've noticed that when others find out about that radical shift in viewpoint, it really shocks and angers some, while it really pleases others. One of our employees, a staunch Trump loving republican, has been chewing on hubby's ear for a few years now, with intense debate sometimes ensuing. When Eric told him of his change of viewpoint, it seemed to actually be kind of life changing for him...someone he respected, finally on board kind of thing. They've kind of been joined at the hip ever since... Conversely, the cousin who never wants to speak to me again, responded to a fb post of mine where I linked to Trump's new medical Advisor, Dr. Atlas, saying that it was great Fauci was finally out, with "OMG....you trust Trump"?...(She and I used to agree wholeheartedly about the insanity of Trump as Pres)....and so it went from there....hehe... Hubby played a round of golf last week with a group of Trump supporters whom he always felt kind of cold shouldered him because he didn't agree....even with the oh so deadly Corona-virus lurking about, there were hugs and hand-shakes all around. Human beings...what a crazy lot we are... Your capacity for critical thinking will serve you well in terms of any news media you might consume. I'd remarked to Sue that I thought the right-winger's had been overplaying their hand on the Biden senility angle a week or so before the Dem convention. I think they might have gotten rope-a-doped into it. Biden seemed exhausted and disoriented after he won that last group of primaries, and given his age and the rigors of that sort of campaign, that's to be expected. Hard to tell just how far along he is, but he'll have good days and bad between now and the election.
What was amusing to watch was how none of them: Tucker, Hannity, Rush etc .. none of them owned up to their miscalculation after Biden got through his convention speech. Although, I have seen Tucker do just that on at least one past occasion, which is incredibly rare in the media and unheard of in politics.
This kid is quite energetic and for me fun to watch, and he's someone who genuinely started off as a lefty (he was first introduced and was made famous by vice news, for example) and still actually considers himself a liberal. He just announced he was voting for Trump today.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 25, 2020 12:22:42 GMT
Reflected in the last few days....this might be something Fig mentioned....but I think the 'globalists' have been very surprised at the overall lack of co-operation they have faced from large areas of the world. I think the plan they have put in place has basically failed (they may come up with something new, who knows). From what I understand, they have a morality of sorts, in which they are somewhat obliged to acknowledge what people say they want... so if folks express an unwillingness to go with their plan, they have to acknowledge that (and then perhaps try a new plan). I think you're right. The very fact that Bill Gates for one, has been unabashedly sharing his 'plan' for the world and upholds himself as a philanthropist who is doing wonderful things, speaks loudly to that. Gotta wonder how that feels to him to go from being so widely accepted as a generous, caring rich guy who is willing to spend his time and money making the world a better place, to now having his name pop up all over the internet as a cog in the wheel of an evil world takeover. I wonder if that was all a twist he saw coming? I can only imagine he's squirming a bit, wondering how to get back to that place of wide, implicit trust. Well said. The last gal that unfriended me on fb (yeah...they're dropping like flies..hehe) had come to my page to respond to a post where I was alerting to the fact that a restaurant in our area was doing contact tracing...demanding personal info. or turning you away. Several folks piped up that in BC most restaurants are doing this, thus, they just give fake info. I suggested having a bit of fun with it, "Ben Dover"...."867-5309" kinda stuff and there was a nice aura of kinship and then that gal responded with the accusation that giving fake names is not being "a good human," that it's "unkind" because there are those who are depending upon contact tracing to help them feel more safe. I replied that pandering to delusions is not kindness and well, it went downhill pretty fast from there.... we all know how well that one goes over. But yes, all this does have the potential to perhaps get folks looking deeper and wouldn't it be something if there's sincerity there in a few of those cases and maybe with that, a little loosening of the grasp upon the very idea that "thinking I am safe" is always the most important thing. haha yes. I also get the impression that Gates is quite flabberghast at how this has played out....his 'benevolent' strategy worked brilliantly for Rockefeller 100 years ago, so I guess he fully expected it to work for him |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 25, 2020 12:27:41 GMT
Reflected in the last few days....this might be something Fig mentioned....but I think the 'globalists' have been very surprised at the overall lack of co-operation they have faced from large areas of the world. I think the plan they have put in place has basically failed (they may come up with something new, who knows). From what I understand, they have a morality of sorts, in which they are somewhat obliged to acknowledge what people say they want... so if folks express an unwillingness to go with their plan, they have to acknowledge that (and then perhaps try a new plan). Way I see it, is that because our spirit is free, the more control is exerted on humanity, the more people have to awaken to the true nature of spirit. In a sense, a game they can't ultimately win. Or as Princess Leia once said...'the more you tighten your grip, the more slips through your fingers'. Anyway, I've appreciated this thread. I'm surprised to hear about a 'morality of sorts', as I often get the sense that the string pullers are absolutely ruthless. i.e. arranging to send covid patients to elderly care facilities, worldwide, no doubt resulting in tens of thousands of deaths, maybe more. oh yeah, theyre ruthless in that sense. It's the morality of a supremacist slave owner.....like.....'if you accept my plan, then you are my slave and I am doing you the favour of treating you as such'. In their odd view, they think they are doing a good thing by keeping the natural order in place. I think they believe in bloodline superiority....going back thousands of years. |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 25, 2020 12:29:50 GMT
Reflected in the last few days....this might be something Fig mentioned....but I think the 'globalists' have been very surprised at the overall lack of co-operation they have faced from large areas of the world. I think the plan they have put in place has basically failed (they may come up with something new, who knows). From what I understand, they have a morality of sorts, in which they are somewhat obliged to acknowledge what people say they want... so if folks express an unwillingness to go with their plan, they have to acknowledge that (and then perhaps try a new plan). Way I see it, is that because our spirit is free, the more control is exerted on humanity, the more people have to awaken to the true nature of spirit. In a sense, a game they can't ultimately win. Or as Princess Leia once said...'the more you tighten your grip, the more slips through your fingers'. Anyway, I've appreciated this thread. Well, the way I see it, the globalists are far from a monolithic group with a shared set of interests, but rather, a coalition of various power centers with interests that sometimes conflict. This is illustrated quite starkly by the strange bedfellows of a multi-national behemoth like, say Alphabet or Apple, and the Marxist Universities like Berkley. We currently have this odd contradiction of the richest guy alive (Bezos) who owns one of the most left-leaning newspapers in the country (The Washington Post). Another example would be the alignment of most of the news media with elitist groups that put on gatherings like Davos, but, more importantly, other gatherings that most people have never heard of.
Tactical retreats and strategic relinquishment of influence in response to cost/benefit happen all the time in war, and war is certainly the state that applies to people obsessed with social and economic power. So I wouldn't make all that much of any apparent flexibility coming out of what we might think (in imperfect shorthand) as the "globalist camp".
yes (and good examples) ! I see it as like 'mafia' families throughout the world....they can be very at war with each other, but when it comes down to it, they come together and it's mafia vs the rest. You also offered examples of the fact that the left/right political spectrum is really just another tool....a 'divide and conquer' strategy. I made the point on a left wing group i like that left and right should be collectively challenging Gates, Big Pharma, Bezos etc. It was surprisingly well received...a good sign perhaps. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 25, 2020 18:50:21 GMT
I think you're right. The very fact that Bill Gates for one, has been unabashedly sharing his 'plan' for the world and upholds himself as a philanthropist who is doing wonderful things, speaks loudly to that. Gotta wonder how that feels to him to go from being so widely accepted as a generous, caring rich guy who is willing to spend his time and money making the world a better place, to now having his name pop up all over the internet as a cog in the wheel of an evil world takeover. I wonder if that was all a twist he saw coming? I can only imagine he's squirming a bit, wondering how to get back to that place of wide, implicit trust. Well said. The last gal that unfriended me on fb (yeah...they're dropping like flies..hehe) had come to my page to respond to a post where I was alerting to the fact that a restaurant in our area was doing contact tracing...demanding personal info. or turning you away. Several folks piped up that in BC most restaurants are doing this, thus, they just give fake info. I suggested having a bit of fun with it, "Ben Dover"...."867-5309" kinda stuff and there was a nice aura of kinship and then that gal responded with the accusation that giving fake names is not being "a good human," that it's "unkind" because there are those who are depending upon contact tracing to help them feel more safe. I replied that pandering to delusions is not kindness and well, it went downhill pretty fast from there.... we all know how well that one goes over. But yes, all this does have the potential to perhaps get folks looking deeper and wouldn't it be something if there's sincerity there in a few of those cases and maybe with that, a little loosening of the grasp upon the very idea that "thinking I am safe" is always the most important thing. haha yes. I also get the impression that Gates is quite flabberghast at how this has played out....his 'benevolent' strategy worked brilliantly for Rockefeller 100 years ago, so I guess he fully expected it to work for him I must say, I really DO like the idea that he is flabberhasted. I was watching CNN last night, just to keep track of what the enemy is up to...hehe.....whether they were merely acting or not Cuomo and Don Lemon made a big issue & poked some fun at how Kimberly Guilfoyle who spoke at the Republican convention yesterday 'yelled' her entire speech. They seemed to think it was funny and had no idea why...like her strong emotion was just some kind of a mistake or something....I was curios to watch it and when I did, found her speech & tone to be a powerful and perfect response to the insanity the Dem's are perpetrating.....had me thinking, is it at all possible the Dem's actually don't understand how pissed off folks are with it all...? |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 25, 2020 18:54:19 GMT
I'm surprised to hear about a 'morality of sorts', as I often get the sense that the string pullers are absolutely ruthless. i.e. arranging to send covid patients to elderly care facilities, worldwide, no doubt resulting in tens of thousands of deaths, maybe more. oh yeah, theyre ruthless in that sense. It's the morality of a supremacist slave owner.....like.....'if you accept my plan, then you are my slave and I am doing you the favour of treating you as such'. In their odd view, they think they are doing a good thing by keeping the natural order in place. I think they believe in bloodline superiority....going back thousands of years. Yeah...nothing scarier than 'we are doing it for their own good,' because of the fact they DO have that sense of moral superiority behind whatever they do. Regardless then of how much suffering or resistance arises in the group you are trying to control, you fall back to the 'ol "its' for the greater good...they're too stupid to know what's best." |
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Post by muttley on Aug 27, 2020 1:42:34 GMT
Well, the way I see it, the globalists are far from a monolithic group with a shared set of interests, but rather, a coalition of various power centers with interests that sometimes conflict. This is illustrated quite starkly by the strange bedfellows of a multi-national behemoth like, say Alphabet or Apple, and the Marxist Universities like Berkley. We currently have this odd contradiction of the richest guy alive (Bezos) who owns one of the most left-leaning newspapers in the country (The Washington Post). Another example would be the alignment of most of the news media with elitist groups that put on gatherings like Davos, but, more importantly, other gatherings that most people have never heard of.
Tactical retreats and strategic relinquishment of influence in response to cost/benefit happen all the time in war, and war is certainly the state that applies to people obsessed with social and economic power. So I wouldn't make all that much of any apparent flexibility coming out of what we might think (in imperfect shorthand) as the "globalist camp".
yes (and good examples) ! I see it as like 'mafia' families throughout the world....they can be very at war with each other, but when it comes down to it, they come together and it's mafia vs the rest. You also offered examples of the fact that the left/right political spectrum is really just another tool....a 'divide and conquer' strategy. I made the point on a left wing group i like that left and right should be collectively challenging Gates, Big Pharma, Bezos etc. It was surprisingly well received...a good sign perhaps. (** rubs hands together and twirls handlebar mustache **) Eggggcellent.
Think I might've shared with you that I've been listening to Limbaugh and Carlson on and off for years, but their criticism of big tech and the military industrial complex is relatively recent. By my memory it started maybe six years ago but was very muted and not that frequent, and it picked up big time last year. I honestly don't have a problem with people getting super-rich, it's just the negative sociopolitical impact when they start turning into real-life Dr. Evil's that gives me the creeps.
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