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Post by Figgles on Aug 21, 2020 17:12:51 GMT
Wow....and to think there was a time where I thought Icke was a nut-bar.  What he's saying is so clearly happening...Jeezuz....  Well, I'm doing any little bit I can...am currently waging war on a fb page of a restaurant that turned us away last night because we wouldn't hand over our personal info. for contact tracing. The mgr. fully admitted it was not a government mandate, that it was his personal choice to subject his patrons to this. I'm posting this wherever I can on FB, and have been surprised by those on my fb friends list who previously I would have doubted with have a problem with contact tracing, but who obviously do...cool to see some minds changing. That said, two days ago my cousin who is full on "Corona is a deadly virus and we have to listen to the government," in all CAPS...told me to f-off....told me she never wants to see me again...unfriended me and blocked me from fb. 8-|Things are getting intense. and it may not seem like it but I've always agreed with the essence of what you were saying to me, while also knowing that sometimes the battle IS the path of least resistance, so therefore it has to be fought. I speak from years of experience when I say that just 'telling' people doesn't really work. How many people did I persuade even a bit? Very very few probably. Somehow people have to experience something which enables the penny to drop for themselves. I think people are having to explore for themselves what it means to be free, what it means to be a human being, what it means to be sovereign, what it means to be Life. Is a controlled life...a life in which one has to monitor how intimate they are with others....even a life worth living? Folks are really having to ask themselves these questions. I see it in the 'rave' culture...the rave scene was...by definition...one that was uninhibited and free. Now the commercial party scene (I can't call it the 'rave scene') offers folks sheep pens to dance in LOL. I see people looking at them and thinking....is this who I am? Is this what I want? Illegal rave parties are now popping up as a result...inevitably so. As Abraham have said repeatedly lately, the contrast that this situation is creating, can really only lead to wonderful things. The bottom line with all movements founded on contention of views, is the ability or lack thereof to remain grounded in peace as you do so....grounded in the realization that it's all appearance only, dream-stuff, arising upon the singular screen of One consciousness. It seemed to me that you hadn't merely 'lost sight' of that, but that you'd yet to see it, which necessarily then means, getting swept up into the contentious movement and suffering. But yes, there are indeed times where the battle IS the path of least resistance....the key question you should ask yourself though to see if that is so, is: Is there a sense of life and joy in the experience of 'the battle,'....can you still stand back and see it as sort of a game....that ultimately, regardless of outcome, that which you really are, will remain untouched, unchanged...? Fwiw, there's some real momentum happening re: the restaurant that's taking names and numbers.....through my posting about it, folks are going to the restaurant page and either commenting or liking my review, and as a result, their overall rating based on hundreds of reviews has dropped from 4.5/5 to 4. Might not sound like a huge deal, but if they keep dropping, the manager might begin to reconsider his position. I've got several folks on my fb page who previously were posting stuff about the need to wear masks and such who are not liking everything I post that is anti-mask...so I think where this things is concerned, mind's ARE changing pretty fast because it's just so obvious what's going on. We'll see though...time will tell.  |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 21, 2020 17:18:27 GMT
One aspect of the strong pro-mask and pro lockdown folks that I find interesting, is that they're all for 'the greater good' by 'preserving human life'. Very few of them are spiritual, because...well...spiritual folks understand that the quality of a life lived....even only fleetingly....is at least as important as 'how long' a life is lived. But then, if they really are interested in the 'greater good', then how can they honestly argue that the human species works symbiotically, usefully and harmoniously for the planet? By their reasoning, wouldn't it be better if we were all wiped out? I'm not saying I subscribe to that obviously, I'm just looking from a materialist angle Yes, in some cases there really does seem to be just a very basic difference in values regarding life...what it means 'to live.' But I think pure ignorance and blindness, disinterest, is also in play. Folks are simply so trusting in their governments and media, that they aren't even thinking about things. |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 21, 2020 18:11:55 GMT
You've been telling me for a long time to avoid these kinds of battles, and it may not seem like it but I've always agreed with the essence of what you were saying to me, while also knowing that sometimes the battle IS the path of least resistance, so therefore it has to be fought. I speak from years of experience when I say that just 'telling' people doesn't really work. How many people did I persuade even a bit? Very very few probably. Somehow people have to experience something which enables the penny to drop for themselves. I think people are having to explore for themselves what it means to be free, what it means to be a human being, what it means to be sovereign, what it means to be Life. Is a controlled life...a life in which one has to monitor how intimate they are with others....even a life worth living? Folks are really having to ask themselves these questions. I see it in the 'rave' culture...the rave scene was...by definition...one that was uninhibited and free. Now the commercial party scene (I can't call it the 'rave scene') offers folks sheep pens to dance in LOL. I see people looking at them and thinking....is this who I am? Is this what I want? Illegal rave parties are now popping up as a result...inevitably so. As Abraham have said repeatedly lately, the contrast that this situation is creating, can really only lead to wonderful things. The bottom line with all movements founded on contention of views, is the ability or lack thereof to remain grounded in peace as you do so....grounded in the realization that it's all appearance only, dream-stuff, arising upon the singular screen of One consciousness. It seemed to me that you hadn't merely 'lost sight' of that, but that you'd yet to see it, which necessarily then means, getting swept up into the contentious movement and suffering. But yes, there are indeed times where the battle IS the path of least resistance....the key question you should ask yourself though to see if that is so, is: Is there a sense of life and joy in the experience of 'the battle,'....can you still stand back and see it as sort of a game....that ultimately, regardless of outcome, that which you really are, will remain untouched, unchanged...? Fwiw, there's some real momentum happening re: the restaurant that's taking names and numbers.....through my posting about it, folks are going to the restaurant page and either commenting or liking my review, and as a result, their overall rating based on hundreds of reviews has dropped from 4.5/5 to 4. Might not sound like a huge deal, but if they keep dropping, the manager might begin to reconsider his position. I've got several folks on my fb page who previously were posting stuff about the need to wear masks and such who are not liking everything I post that is anti-mask...so I think where this things is concerned, mind's ARE changing pretty fast because it's just so obvious what's going on. We'll see though...time will tell. yes I'm sure it did seem like that, but I'm sure you can see now that going to war with the restaurant is necessary for you, because it is the path of least resistance. Sometimes war has to be engaged with and I support you in it....though it's quite an odd twist that I've been less at war this year than previous years! |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 21, 2020 18:20:55 GMT
One aspect of the strong pro-mask and pro lockdown folks that I find interesting, is that they're all for 'the greater good' by 'preserving human life'. Very few of them are spiritual, because...well...spiritual folks understand that the quality of a life lived....even only fleetingly....is at least as important as 'how long' a life is lived. But then, if they really are interested in the 'greater good', then how can they honestly argue that the human species works symbiotically, usefully and harmoniously for the planet? By their reasoning, wouldn't it be better if we were all wiped out? I'm not saying I subscribe to that obviously, I'm just looking from a materialist angle Yes, in some cases there really does seem to be just a very basic difference in values regarding life...what it means 'to live.' But I think pure ignorance and blindness, disinterest, is also in play. Folks are simply so trusting in their governments and media, that they aren't even thinking about things. yes for some I'm sure that's true but there's a ton of really smart people around that don't trust the media but balk at a certain point of the questioning. And I think that's partly because of the depth of the rabbit hole. It's one thing for example to believe that there's something fishy about what's been happening, it's another thing to believe in a new world order, and it's yet another thing to believe that our leaders are engaged in satanic spirituality. As you know the rabbit hole leads us to question the history of humanity, the history of the planet. We may start coming across concepts like 'The Annunaki' and 'Reptilians'. And quite honestly, I think a lot of people feel both threatened and absurd as they go down the rabbit hole. It sort of makes sense that there's only so far folks are willing to go, even the really smart ones. I guess going down the hole isn't really a matter of how clever one is. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 21, 2020 20:46:02 GMT
The bottom line with all movements founded on contention of views, is the ability or lack thereof to remain grounded in peace as you do so....grounded in the realization that it's all appearance only, dream-stuff, arising upon the singular screen of One consciousness. It seemed to me that you hadn't merely 'lost sight' of that, but that you'd yet to see it, which necessarily then means, getting swept up into the contentious movement and suffering. But yes, there are indeed times where the battle IS the path of least resistance....the key question you should ask yourself though to see if that is so, is: Is there a sense of life and joy in the experience of 'the battle,'....can you still stand back and see it as sort of a game....that ultimately, regardless of outcome, that which you really are, will remain untouched, unchanged...? Fwiw, there's some real momentum happening re: the restaurant that's taking names and numbers.....through my posting about it, folks are going to the restaurant page and either commenting or liking my review, and as a result, their overall rating based on hundreds of reviews has dropped from 4.5/5 to 4. Might not sound like a huge deal, but if they keep dropping, the manager might begin to reconsider his position. I've got several folks on my fb page who previously were posting stuff about the need to wear masks and such who are not liking everything I post that is anti-mask...so I think where this things is concerned, mind's ARE changing pretty fast because it's just so obvious what's going on. We'll see though...time will tell. yes I'm sure it did seem like that, but I'm sure you can see now that going to war with the restaurant is necessary for you, because it is the path of least resistance. Sometimes war has to be engaged with and I support you in it....though it's quite an odd twist that I've been less at war this year than previous years! Well, really, I was being a bit cheeky in using the term 'war' to describe my response to the restaurant. There is the experience of 'a war,' (of sorts) that is seen to be a 'perfect' expression....a dream....a story....a play, arising within/to consciousness and then there is the experience of war that is taken as something more because you are completely enveloped within it and cannot see past it. The comparison between the two 'wars' is vast....so vast that we should probably re-think terming the former as such. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 21, 2020 20:54:32 GMT
Yes, in some cases there really does seem to be just a very basic difference in values regarding life...what it means 'to live.' But I think pure ignorance and blindness, disinterest, is also in play. Folks are simply so trusting in their governments and media, that they aren't even thinking about things. yes for some I'm sure that's true but there's a ton of really smart people around that don't trust the media but balk at a certain point of the questioning. And I think that's partly because of the depth of the rabbit hole. It's one thing for example to believe that there's something fishy about what's been happening, it's another thing to believe in a new world order, and it's yet another thing to believe that our leaders are engaged in satanic spirituality. As you know the rabbit hole leads us to question the history of humanity, the history of the planet. We may start coming across concepts like 'The Annunaki' and 'Reptilians'. And quite honestly, I think a lot of people feel both threatened and absurd as they go down the rabbit hole. It sort of makes sense that there's only so far folks are willing to go, even the really smart ones. I guess going down the hole isn't really a matter of how clever one is. Agreed, the willingness to go down the hole stands apart from intellect. The most important thing though, and the thing I rarely talk about on fb,but that I cannot refrain from talking about here, is that ultimately, all concepts one encounters as they delve down into the hole, are ultimately, dream-stuff, stories. And while we may indeed arrive at certain ideas that resonate as relatively more true than another, ultimately, none of them are absolutely true, and that realization vastly limits the depth to which those stories capture and hold. (Doesn't mean there can't still be interest and intrigue and caring there though!) |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 21, 2020 23:02:27 GMT
One aspect of the strong pro-mask and pro lockdown folks that I find interesting, is that they're all for 'the greater good' by 'preserving human life'. Very few of them are spiritual, because...well...spiritual folks understand that the quality of a life lived....even only fleetingly....is at least as important as 'how long' a life is lived. But then, if they really are interested in the 'greater good', then how can they honestly argue that the human species works symbiotically, usefully and harmoniously for the planet? By their reasoning, wouldn't it be better if we were all wiped out? I'm not saying I subscribe to that obviously, I'm just looking from a materialist angle Probably so, and in a sense we could say nature has turned her back on us, but it's only because we turned first. |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 21, 2020 23:06:55 GMT
You've been telling me for a long time to avoid these kinds of battles, and it may not seem like it but I've always agreed with the essence of what you were saying to me, while also knowing that sometimes the battle IS the path of least resistance, so therefore it has to be fought. I speak from years of experience when I say that just 'telling' people doesn't really work. How many people did I persuade even a bit? Very very few probably. Somehow people have to experience something which enables the penny to drop for themselves. I think people are having to explore for themselves what it means to be free, what it means to be a human being, what it means to be sovereign, what it means to be Life. Is a controlled life...a life in which one has to monitor how intimate they are with others....even a life worth living? Folks are really having to ask themselves these questions. I see it in the 'rave' culture...the rave scene was...by definition...one that was uninhibited and free. Now the commercial party scene (I can't call it the 'rave scene') offers folks sheep pens to dance in LOL. I see people looking at them and thinking....is this who I am? Is this what I want? Illegal rave parties are now popping up as a result...inevitably so. As Abraham have said repeatedly lately, the contrast that this situation is creating, can really only lead to wonderful things. The bottom line with all movements founded on contention of views, is the ability or lack thereof to remain grounded in peace as you do so....grounded in the realization that it's all appearance only, dream-stuff, arising upon the singular screen of One consciousness. It seemed to me that you hadn't merely 'lost sight' of that, but that you'd yet to see it, which necessarily then means, getting swept up into the contentious movement and suffering. But yes, there are indeed times where the battle IS the path of least resistance....the key question you should ask yourself though to see if that is so, is: Is there a sense of life and joy in the experience of 'the battle,'....can you still stand back and see it as sort of a game....that ultimately, regardless of outcome, that which you really are, will remain untouched, unchanged...? Fwiw, there's some real momentum happening re: the restaurant that's taking names and numbers.....through my posting about it, folks are going to the restaurant page and either commenting or liking my review, and as a result, their overall rating based on hundreds of reviews has dropped from 4.5/5 to 4. Might not sound like a huge deal, but if they keep dropping, the manager might begin to reconsider his position. I've got several folks on my fb page who previously were posting stuff about the need to wear masks and such who are not liking everything I post that is anti-mask...so I think where this things is concerned, mind's ARE changing pretty fast because it's just so obvious what's going on. We'll see though...time will tell. I think you meant to say 'now'? |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 21, 2020 23:16:40 GMT
One aspect of the strong pro-mask and pro lockdown folks that I find interesting, is that they're all for 'the greater good' by 'preserving human life'. Very few of them are spiritual, because...well...spiritual folks understand that the quality of a life lived....even only fleetingly....is at least as important as 'how long' a life is lived. But then, if they really are interested in the 'greater good', then how can they honestly argue that the human species works symbiotically, usefully and harmoniously for the planet? By their reasoning, wouldn't it be better if we were all wiped out? I'm not saying I subscribe to that obviously, I'm just looking from a materialist angle Yes, in some cases there really does seem to be just a very basic difference in values regarding life...what it means 'to live.' But I think pure ignorance and blindness, disinterest, is also in play. Folks are simply so trusting in their governments and media, that they aren't even thinking about things. I wonder if most of those imagine that the internet is just full of crazy conspiracy theorists and don't realize they can get news from anywhere in the world, like England, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Germany and even some well established and 'respected' alternative news sources right here in the US. This is a global phenomena, so there's a whole world of alternative sources out there, and the ability to research data about anywhere in the world to confirm what's really going on. |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 21, 2020 23:22:48 GMT
The bottom line with all movements founded on contention of views, is the ability or lack thereof to remain grounded in peace as you do so....grounded in the realization that it's all appearance only, dream-stuff, arising upon the singular screen of One consciousness. It seemed to me that you hadn't merely 'lost sight' of that, but that you'd yet to see it, which necessarily then means, getting swept up into the contentious movement and suffering. But yes, there are indeed times where the battle IS the path of least resistance....the key question you should ask yourself though to see if that is so, is: Is there a sense of life and joy in the experience of 'the battle,'....can you still stand back and see it as sort of a game....that ultimately, regardless of outcome, that which you really are, will remain untouched, unchanged...? Fwiw, there's some real momentum happening re: the restaurant that's taking names and numbers.....through my posting about it, folks are going to the restaurant page and either commenting or liking my review, and as a result, their overall rating based on hundreds of reviews has dropped from 4.5/5 to 4. Might not sound like a huge deal, but if they keep dropping, the manager might begin to reconsider his position. I've got several folks on my fb page who previously were posting stuff about the need to wear masks and such who are not liking everything I post that is anti-mask...so I think where this things is concerned, mind's ARE changing pretty fast because it's just so obvious what's going on. We'll see though...time will tell. yes I'm sure it did seem like that, but I'm sure you can see now that going to war with the restaurant is necessary for you, because it is the path of least resistance. Sometimes war has to be engaged with and I support you in it....though it's quite an odd twist that I've been less at war this year than previous years! Your point is well taken, but I see a huge difference between opening eyes to the need for free range chicken, and opening them to a plan for global fascism and the end of human freedom. We can hope that at least the chicken will remain free to roam their range.  |
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What he's saying is so clearly happening...Jeezuz.... 
