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Post by Figgles on Jul 23, 2024 17:10:00 GMT
In this case, those tears/feelings of sadness are more about Nonduality pointers being misconstrued in a way that has the SVP feeling upset.....except this time, it's all over a straw-man.
It's true, sometimes where true glimmers of the inherent absence of existence occur, yet the SVP still remains intact, there can be a sense of sadness as that SVP senses it's own demise, but it does not appear that's what's happening with SDP.
SDP has created a straw-Nonduality and it's that erroneous, misconceived idea he's fighting against.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 23, 2024 17:19:55 GMT
And yet, there are times along the pathless path as well, where problematic "noise in the head" over perceived wordly problems, gets looked at, square in it's face and seen for what it is.....the erroneous identification with separation that is at it's helm, becomes clear. A peace that is dependent upon denial/ignoring of worldly affairs, is a weak, flimsy, conditional sort of peace. It is because SR does impact experience that a world that is seemingly awakening to the consensus trance en masse, should be on the table for discussion on a so called "spiritual forum." Just one gal's opinion.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 23, 2024 17:26:23 GMT
How 'bout you Sharon....What are YOU carrying your water (and all those chips you unabashedly place and wear on your shoulder!) in?
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Post by Figgles on Jul 23, 2024 17:42:45 GMT
Well said.
Then again, One of the best litmus tests for where you're at in terms of absence of identification with ideas...non-reactivity......conscious awareness of mind's machinations and just plain old non-attachment IS to observe what arises in the face of opinions that are deeply contrary to 'yours.'
A Nonduality that denies or ignores the world.....excludes experience/appearance is incomplete.
As I see it, any opportunity that arises within a community supposedly interested in Nonduality and it's impact upon experience, will welcome any and all conversations that have the propensity to gently and civilly, "poke the SVP."
Truly being free means that ego no longer rears up in reactivity to ban/block or run away from direct challenge of our spirituality or our relative views and opinions.
I think there's a bunch over on ST who are cutting off their nose to spite their face in creating a forum absent all potentially contentious convos. They are squashing what is a stellar opportunity...a perfect litmus test by which to directly see/know where attachments lie....where they don't....to directly and in real time, explore how supposed realizations have impacted experience...or not.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 25, 2024 17:41:02 GMT
Delusion/immersion within illusion hinges upon taking the way "life seems to be to me" as Truth.
If we're talking Truth, then there are some of those "seemings" that are outright "false." Mistaking practice as causal/creative/catalyzing, fits that bill.
And if one is still mistaking an arising intent towards any action as "deliberate" in the sense that that means is it a volitional choice made by the person, then that idea too, is "false."
This "neither right or wrong" business has place in clarity. Within the context of Truth/Absolute/Ultimate, there are some stark and uncompromising revelations. Fundamental separation is always "false."
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Post by Figgles on Aug 10, 2024 19:47:33 GMT
While I do understand how ZD's fluctuating ontology might be confusing, because he does out of one side of his mouth say he is not an individual but out of the other, he reifies the individual by claiming to know for Absolute certain that each individual, discrete form/object is known to be an existent perceiver/experiencer, Nonduality teachings don't actually deny the "apparent individual" at all. Thus, the expression on spiritual forums and the like of "individuated opinions/viewpoints" in no way contradicts "not two/Nonduality."
Nonduality points to the fundamental/actuality beyond what seems to be/is apparently so. I still don't think you are grasping that. Individuals DO appear...there IS an experience of a me character..but that apparent me character in SR, has been realized to empty of inherent existence in it's own right...in other words, it's been realized to have no separate existence. Instead it's clear that all that appears arises within that which exists in it's own right...the ground of Awareness.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 13, 2024 17:08:57 GMT
Seems there's some context mixing going on here. I personally find the pointer "all that is," to be a tad problematic, simply because a seeker's mind will erroneously place a limitation upon it. Mind cannot grasp what the pointer of ALL/infinite/unbounded and thus, will conceptualize and turn what's being pointed to into a "some-thing."
There is an ultimate pointer where it's all rendered down into "nothing ever actually happened." And if apprehended, that truly does take care of all those ideas of a some-thing grander than an apparent person that "sees through" his eyes and "acts as a doer" via that appearance.
From a true vantage point of beyond/prior to, there is not a presence of doubt or uncertainty regarding appearing individuals as it's been realized that while individuals DO appear, they are but temporal arisings within the abiding ground of Awareness....completely dependent upon that ground for their temporary appearance, having no inherent (separate) existence in their own right.
With that realization in play, the very question of "are individuals/apparent people real, or figment," dissolves....the question is now misconceived and there is no energy/interest in that idea that would leave one pondering/wondering or with the presence of "doubt." Instead there is solid, encompassing clarity as to All that appears, including individuals/discrete persons, as being part and parcel of the dream that arises dependent upon abiding Awareness.
If the question is still active, along with either a "yes" or a "no" as a pat answer, that's an indication that the locus of seeing is still mired within the dream-scape. From a transcendent seeing that is beyond/prior to, the question itself is misconceived.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 13, 2024 17:14:00 GMT
What you've described there involves imagining. Do you have direct experiential knowing of an imminent/immediate looking/seeing via the eyes of all the characters who appear in your experience?
It's a nice idea that the same "something" that relatively speaking is looking and seeing out of "my" eyes is also looking and seeing out of "yours," but that remains part and parcel of the dream and never becomes an Absolute Truth/knowing.
There is a realization in fact that reveals that seeing/perceiving is not actually being 'done/sourced' via the apparent body/mind....that all of it, dream-content arising within/to that which abides all changing content.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 13, 2024 20:08:15 GMT
You've got is backwards; The real question is: What would be/could be "IN/under" your control, if there is only One?
For the me character to be an actual controller of all other manifestation/appearance would equal the existence of fundamental separation. There is none.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 19, 2024 5:45:12 GMT
...or perhaps, waking up? You speak here as though you have direct reference for SR. Do you? If not, then how do you know "it's much simpler than is usually expressed here? "The whole is acting" (if "whole" is not being conceptualized, and is but a pointer to Oneness) is akin to the term "It's all fundamentally, one, seamless, singular movement." As such, if the 'playing out of conditioning' somehow falls outside of that singular movement (or outside of the whole) that would mean 'separation' is actual. (it's not). The acknowledgement of playing out of conditioning is not at odds with the pointer of "the whole/One seamless movement." The playing out of conditioning is part and parcel of the dream-scape, whereas the realization that it's all One, seamless movement, involves a locus of seeing that is beyond/prior to the dream-scape.
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