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Post by Enigma on Aug 12, 2020 20:35:32 GMT
Maybe we should ask Mr Awareness himself. Drive out Tenka out of you, you may have the chance of clear seeing! Okay, I'll check with Mr Awareness.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 12, 2020 20:38:25 GMT
The one way is the way it's happening. It includes conlict of interest. When I was younger I certainly was able to 'decide' and 'commit' to one interest . Now the interests play out, and i gently participate with them. I observe, intend, act but don't 'decide' as such. I generally look for and follow the path of least resistance How do you 'let go' of conflicting interest? How do you tell the other interests to go away? How do you control them? I would say interests usually have to 'wear themselves out' one way or another. Dominant interest always wins. Suppressing interest doesnt work, though suppressing IS an interest. That's exactly correct! That's not in our hand. A great way to 'wear them out' is to choose what you desire most. Hanging on to something you choose not to do is childish and you know it.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 12, 2020 20:47:08 GMT
If I'm right about the unconsciousness connection, it's not easy to get into the place of no split mind. I'm seeing now that the split mind requires an unconscious process. The internal conflict of self against self must take place unconsciously as the conscious cannot deceive themselves so as to set up that false conflict/division. Okay, I think I am getting you so clearly now. I thought I understood what you mean by split mind so far but actually I did not. And even I am making sense out of why you asked a question as to what if I desire to have the sex with neighbors wife, that question clearly makes sense now.
Here let me tell you what you actually meant.
You say when we have the conflict desire, we have to let go of the one and choose the other one. It doesn't matter whether we are giving up the strongest one or lesser one, but giving up one and choosing the another one. Right? Did I get you clearly?
So you meant to say this fight happens when you make a choice of not to smoke? It continued for some days but you were stubborn always to make that one choice of not smoking? Slowly unconscious desire of smoking went away?I am just trying to understand you.
Well, it does matter if you are choosing the lesser desire. First of all, why would you do that? Also, you're going to regret/resent not doing what you most wanted to do. No, I'm not talking about determination. What I'm talking about is effortless; choosing what you most desire and letting go of what you don't choose. You're always looking for the logic. Can you see the logic in that?
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Post by Enigma on Aug 12, 2020 20:54:39 GMT
I quit smoking without conflict once I decided I wanted to quit. I lost 50lb in less than 3 months without conflict, and all I was really doing was crave control research for a website I was working on. That was several years ago and I still haven't gained the weight back. So don't tell me it's impossible and nobody can do that. I'm beginning to think the difference is about living consciously. When you live consciously, you take personal responsibility for the way you live. Nothing is "hidden' in the unconscious that enables you to avoid responsibility. (To say something is beyond your power to do) Bingo with cherry! Cool story. I think you mentioned that many years ago and it was impressive then too. I've had similar experiences with quitting supposed 'habits.' One example; I recall being in gr. 8 and was at a school dance, slow dancing with some kid and I looked down at my hands on his shoulder's and it hit me how childish my hands looked with their nails, bitten to the quick. I'd bitten then since I was around 4-ish, but in that moment I simply decided I wanted to have lovely, long painted nails. I've never bitten them since. I recall a few moments while sitting in class....I started to raise my finger to my mouth, but then immediately, put it down in favor of the long nail pic....but other than that, no real 'pull' to even nibble. Within about a week and half, I had gorgeous long nails. Yeah, like that. You just decided you wanted pretty nails more than you wanted to bite them. I'm thinking that the reason the weight loss deal came about so dramatically and effortlessly was because the research brought some amazing clarity about addiction to food and how we manipulate ourselves to (mis)handle it.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 12, 2020 21:10:12 GMT
If you were able to let go of clinging to a desire, the desire would no longer be desired. There is not both a desire and a clinging to the desire. The presence of a desire implies a clinging that brings about desire and holds it in place. This isn't particularly subtle. It isn't some advanced spiritual process. It's mostly common sense. However, it might require that you not lie to yourself, and that might be the rub. Perfectly put. The 'desire' itself IS mind's clinging to what it think it needs to be at peace....to quell suffering. Yup, yup.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 12, 2020 21:10:40 GMT
Bingo with cherry! Cool story. I think you mentioned that many years ago and it was impressive then too. I've had similar experiences with quitting supposed 'habits.' One example; I recall being in gr. 8 and was at a school dance, slow dancing with some kid and I looked down at my hands on his shoulder's and it hit me how childish my hands looked with their nails, bitten to the quick. I'd bitten then since I was around 4-ish, but in that moment I simply decided I wanted to have lovely, long painted nails. I've never bitten them since. I recall a few moments while sitting in class....I started to raise my finger to my mouth, but then immediately, put it down in favor of the long nail pic....but other than that, no real 'pull' to even nibble. Within about a week and half, I had gorgeous long nails. Yeah, like that. You just decided you wanted pretty nails more than you wanted to bite them. I'm thinking that the reason the weight loss deal came about so dramatically and effortlessly was because the research brought some amazing clarity about addiction to food and how we manipulate ourselves to (mis)handle it. Yup....clarity is magic.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 12, 2020 21:14:37 GMT
Yeah, like that. You just decided you wanted pretty nails more than you wanted to bite them. I'm thinking that the reason the weight loss deal came about so dramatically and effortlessly was because the research brought some amazing clarity about addiction to food and how we manipulate ourselves to (mis)handle it. Yup....clarity is magic. Clarity is the way, the truth, and the light.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 15, 2022 18:28:35 GMT
It's all about context. The quotes where practice is denied as causal, trump the others. Seriously, if it were actually so that practice "caused" SR, then that would mean that there IS separation...that would defy "One seamless movement/nothing that appears is actually catalyzing/causal."
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Post by Figgles on Nov 25, 2022 18:22:22 GMT
If we're talking "Truth," that is not actually a realization. "Realization" is prior to mind...beyond the experiential...prior to appearance. What you are describing there is an in the dream 'insight,'...a relative seeing....not actually a realization as to the "nature" (as in "fundamental Truth/nature) of things.
The perception of dissolution of all "physical" boundary is still a relative seeing. The perception of unity/connection is still a perceivable. In a true dissolution/collapse of all perceivables, there is no-thing at all to perceive. Realization is a seeing through/absence, not an adding to or seeing/perceiving of something new.
The perception of physical boundaries was and never will be the problem. The mistaking of that appearance/distinction for "fundamental" (as you would say, "existential") separation, IS.
Please read that over slowly a few times.
Again, there is no need or reason at all...no benefit in terms of being free, in seeing that the physical reality 'of objects' is mind made, if you're still hanging onto the idea that there is some kind of experiential/perceived, existent reality beyond those objects. That too is ultimately an 'object'...a conception of mind...a perceivable. Truth is beyond ALL perceivables, all experience, even the most profound perception of 'unity/connection/dissolution of physical boundary.'
Oneness is not the dissolution of appearance/perceivables, it's the seeing that fundamentally, perceivables are not separate from the ground from within which they arise.
Context mix. You're also invoking separation....causation/creation within the dream. There are no atoms doing anything....there is no conspiring....no process of creation....that's just an idea that mind has glommed onto.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 30, 2022 6:17:16 GMT
No, really, it's not.
It actually has nothing at all to do with Nonduality. The idea of an "interconnected" system is a full-on, in the dream idea. It's mind that makes those connections...it's mind that says absent the sun, the Earth is not the Earth that we know. Nonduality is not about a bunch of stuff that is unified/connected.
The Truth of Oneness/Nonduality requires a shift in locus of seeing that is beyond mind...beyond those kinds of categorizations, comparisons...ideas.
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