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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 23:22:54 GMT
No, no, no, I am not interested in a superficial explanation. It's the same superficiality that characterizes all the discussions about realizations, just empty words. Anyone can say I realized this and I realized that, but how does one know if it isn't self-deception? I asked you a very specific question which looks beyond the superficiality of words... So lets try this again. Are you aware of how self-deception 'arises'? What exactly IS self-deception if not a deceptive thought/belief? Thus, it arises just as any other thought arises, but in the case of a 'deceptive' thought, we're talking about a thought that is mistaken for Truth...right? (perhaps you are defining 'self deception' in a different way from that...? If so, please do share...) What you are calling a 'superficial explanation,' above, is really just evidence of your own misunderstanding of what my words are pointing to. Indeed, absent direct reference for the realization being spoken about, the words will seem to be meaningless. Self-deception is delusions of the mind. And just because you are not aware of a deeper way of looking at it, than on the superficial level of words, doesn't mean I misunderstood it. And why would I need a reference point for a realization that may have been self-evident to you, but was in fact an illusion? How would I know? So, getting back to self-deception, if it arises just like any other thought, than what is the reason it arises, it's basis? |
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Post by Figgles on Sept 27, 2017 0:58:40 GMT
No, no, no, I am not interested in a superficial explanation. It's the same superficiality that characterizes all the discussions about realizations, just empty words. Anyone can say I realized this and I realized that, but how does one know if it isn't self-deception?I asked you a very specific question which looks beyond the superficiality of words... So lets try this again. Are you aware of how self-deception 'arises'? Because it's self evident and not of the mind. It won't make sense to someone who hasn't realized. Yes. I think when I have time, I'm gonna start a conversation about what 'self evident' means.   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 1:21:00 GMT
Because it's self evident and not of the mind. It won't make sense to someone who hasn't realized. Yes. I think when I have time, I'm gonna start a conversation about what 'self evident' means. Make sure to include the most important point, which is how I can know if the one claiming that something is self-evident is either talking out of the silence of truth, or is he talking out of the noise of an illusion, which he considers to be the truth. Hehe |
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Post by Enigma on Sept 27, 2017 1:36:51 GMT
Yes. I think when I have time, I'm gonna start a conversation about what 'self evident' means. Make sure to include the most important point, which is how I can know if the one claiming that something is self-evident is either talking out of the silence of truth, or is he talking out of the noise of an illusion, which he considers to be the truth. Hehe You can't know unless you also see what is self evident. |
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Post by Figgles on Sept 27, 2017 4:32:24 GMT
Make sure to include the most important point, which is how I can know if the one claiming that something is self-evident is either talking out of the silence of truth, or is he talking out of the noise of an illusion, which he considers to be the truth. Hehe You can't know unless you also see what is self evident. Exactly. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 14:43:21 GMT
You can't know unless you also see what is self evident. Exactly. Not really. Mind is saying it is self evident, and so I don't want to fall for self-deception. Hehe Besides how do I know if Enigma isn't self- deluded in truly believing in self evidence? How do I know if he isn't suffering from illusion? So, getting back to self-deception, what is it's basis, it's reason for arising? |
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Post by Enigma on Sept 27, 2017 14:45:30 GMT
Not really. Mind is saying it is self evident, and so I don't want to fall for self-deception. Hehe Besides how do I know if Enigma isn't deluded in truly believing in self evidence?You can't know unless you also see what is self evident. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 7:20:45 GMT
Completed my 6 days trekking!!!!!!
Anybody knows how to place pic here? sometime Laughter post pic for the whole page, If I drag and place it here, it says it can't be more than 1MB. what should I do to place pic here?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 10:18:19 GMT
Ah, i would say that perception points are part of the illusion. So, if we say there ARE points of perception, then they are part of the illusionary physical universe of individuation. So to me, you are mixing contexts....unless... Are you suggesting that points of perception are more real or fundamental than what is experienced and perceived? Yes, I beleive I am. Cloud memory. 
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Post by Enigma on Oct 5, 2017 15:14:28 GMT
Completed my 6 days trekking!!!!!! Anybody knows how to place pic here? sometime Laughter post pic for the whole page, If I drag and place it here, it says it can't be more than 1MB. what should I do to place pic here? You'll have to decrease the resolution of the pics. |
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