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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 9, 2022 14:57:36 GMT
What is the rationale for the vaccine mandates? The conclusion that I've come to by considering those questions, is that there is no rational explanation for that policy that is intellectually defensible. To save lives and protect an overwhelmed heathcare system would be my first guess Sounds solid right? Well ...
The survival rate is 99.7% overall, much higher if you're not old and not obese/high blood pressure and the death rate for children is essentially negligible, so no, "saving lives" isn't a rationally defensible basis for requiring universal vaccination. Most people who have been forced to get vaccinated weren't at risk of death.
The "overwhelmed healthcare system" is a narrative which bears close scrutiny in this environment of "information warfare". The corporatist media has been caught bald-faced lying about it. Remember #filmyourhospital? Do you recall the makeshift hospital Cuomo built in the Javit's center and the hospital ship they dock'd in Manhattan? Neither was used, nor were the drama-queen tents they set up in Central Park. Now they're firing nurses for refusing to take the jab, then complaining about lack of capacity.
Malone confirmed what the corporatist media has been ignoring since the start: there are financial incentives for hospitals to report as many positive covid tests as possible, as well as for treating people with remdesivir (a drug proven to have catastrophic and common side effects), for intubation, and even a bounty for covid deaths. The top-down government subsidy of covid inc. is far more profitable for hospitals than doing what they were doing before, and the system was overcrowded and stressed long before '20. London and Italy each revised their statistics based on the resulting distortions: 70% or more of the cases and deaths were admissions for other reasons but were counted as covid for the bounties. The CDC guidance that conflates with covid/from covid and even suggests reporting covid absent a positive test has been public knowledge all along. The prevalence of false positives from the PCR tests and the way they could be misapplied in the field is another common knowledge for years now, and the CDC recommended against using them months ago now.
The commonsense kicker is this: how many people have died from covid who didn't go to a hospital? 
So, the "overwhelmed hospital" isn't as clear an argument to me as the morbidity fallacy, but neither of those ideas is all that convincing given the facts.
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 9, 2022 15:26:12 GMT
Well, even that is an interesting idea. Not to say there aren't kernels of truth on which people might base it, but I really don't see the two modalities out of balance. Even in war, the energy isn't really all one gender or the other, and the most nurturing homes are the ones where the couple's energies balance and compliment. Remove either parent and the energy of the home suffers. Totally, they are all ideas. When we look throughout history in the dream, nothing here is new. Different energies clashing. A NEW earth, a better world, a heart based Gvt, all ideas I’m entertaining. I don’t know anything outside of here and now. Not even if my ideas on the vaccine are correct or if I have massive confirmation bias. I’m being lived. Males have feminine energy and males have masculine too so yes balance is always key and I believe the pendalum will swing the other way, but a tsunami could wipe me out tomorrow too🤷🏻♀️. well said spongey!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 16:28:44 GMT
What is the rationale for the vaccine mandates? The conclusion that I've come to by considering those questions, is that there is no rational explanation for that policy that is intellectually defensible. Alito is a little pussy, huh? 'If we rule against the mandate are you going to say that the Court is killing people?' or what about Gorsuck... who literally said the flu kills "hundreds of thousands of people a year" (when its actually 36k on average) this is what happens when one gets their information from Fox n all... a mind corrupted by lies, hyperbole, exaggerations and non-literal commentaries I didn't see that quote. Maybe he meant worldwide. Which is probably accurate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 16:43:33 GMT
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What's your current take on the athlete situation at this point?
I haven't researched it. My first immediate questions would be 1. Do you have data to go with the anecdotes? 2. Considering that myocarditis is also a risk of covid itself, how do you know that heart problems (if you found them in data about the athletes) are from the vaccine and not a current or previous covid infection? |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 9, 2022 17:46:55 GMT
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What's your current take on the athlete situation at this point?
I haven't researched it. My first immediate questions would be 1. Do you have data to go with the anecdotes? 2. Considering that myocarditis is also a risk of covid itself, how do you know that heart problems (if you found them in data about the athletes) are from the vaccine and not a current or previous covid infection? Linked to a tabulation a week back or so to the effect that the incidence of heart attacks for soccer players worldwide was running 5x at the time yoy. Can't search for this obviously - which in and of itself is a flag. The anecdotes keep rollin' in, steady stream. As to the causation, well, that's the same causation/correlation issue we've already discussed. I appreciate keeping an open mind and avoiding the correlation/causation fallacy, but by the same token, there's the duck test.
Malone explained the mechanism for the ovary involvement in his Rogan interview. He explained it in terms that suggested it was the payload-delivery device of a charged lipid particle that was the culprit, and how by design these psuedocells were supposed to remain localized to the muscle tissue around the injection site. This exposes some of the logical fallacies of the deeeeeeebooooonkers: they take the pharma explanation of how it's supposed to work as how it actually works. There's also an interesting tie to this scenario, by my intuition, as to Dr. Cole's conclusion that the spike proteins generated by the jab migrate to biologically active sites in the body. Going further out on a limb and potentially toward some discreditment bait, perhaps these charged lipids in motion around the injection site might explain that bizarre "magnet challenge" effect.
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 9, 2022 18:23:27 GMT
how do you know that heart problems (if you found them in data about the athletes) are from the vaccine and not a current or previous covid infection? .. also, this reminds me of another point Malone made: one of the reasons new vaccines take years to reach distribution is because it was up to pharma to prove that it wasn't the vaccine in instances like this. The legal term of art for this is "burden shifting", and this one's a real dooozy. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 9, 2022 18:28:08 GMT
way I see it, yeah...the likes of Macron are partially bought in and tranced. Personally, I don't necessarily see Gates as 'higher' than them exactly, more just as someone that connects the dots between the countries. I don't feel that Gates really hides his philosophy, nor does Schwab. They believe in their philosophy and are quite proud of it really. But I believe there are levels higher than Schwab too.....names that have been really quite quiet in the last 18 months. The Rockefellers spring to mind. 2 brief videos here, the first is Schwab in 2016...totally open about his vision. The second is a 2 minute clip of the interview between Aaron Russo and Alex Jones in 2007, back when Alex Jones still talked kind of quietly. Aaron Russo was a Hollywood producer, mixing in all the powerful circles.... edit: videos the wrong way round obviously! With regard to the vids, specifically, it's a bitterly wry and amusing point: "chipping" seems so far out to J.Q.Public that of course they dismiss it as a conspiracy theory. Perhaps it would have helped if science fiction had been included as a mandatory part of the curriculum decades ago, because authors have been exploring these ideas since at least the '60's. Orwell and Huxley's predictions for example. Rather chilling. Yep. I can't tell you the amount of times I've started to talk about a conspiracy to someone, and within a minute they retort back with a quip about microchips. I very much distanced myself from the idea because it was doing more harm than good in conversation. There's a sort of tragic-comedy to the fact that something even I rejected as being too extreme a conspiracy, is so much closer to being normalized. I also find it interesting that it seems to be coming from the Scandinavian corner of the world. What is it about their culture that makes them more agreeable to the idea? I don't know. Denmark have used digital ID's for a few years....it's been normalized, and I've had several Danish people say to me....'it's nothing to be concerned about'. It's also crossed my mind that Sweden ignored much of the restrictions and measures because it was always known that they could easily make the leap to the QR way of life and microchips etc. In most of the world, governments have had to work harder to change the way people think, edging folks towards the new technologies, creating desperation. In England, the government have used the 'false dichotomy' quite masterfully at times....''do you want vaccine passes or lockdowns? That's the choice we face''. I've seen Biden try and do the same, but I don't think it's quite as convincing www.newsweek.com/people-get-microchips-implanted-that-include-vaccine-records-amid-new-covid-restrictions-1655916 |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 9, 2022 18:31:01 GMT
how do you know that heart problems (if you found them in data about the athletes) are from the vaccine and not a current or previous covid infection? .. also, this reminds me of another point Malone made: one of the reasons new vaccines take years to reach distribution is because it was up to pharma to prove that it wasn't the vaccine in instances like this. The legal term of art for this is "burden shifting", and this one's a real dooozy. Relates to the point I saw raised recently that pharma apparently have a legal duty (in a 1986 act) to make sure VAERS is accurate, and that it potentially serves them for people to be able to say, 'You can't trust anything from VAERS'. I haven't fact checked to see if that legal duty is true. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 19:36:31 GMT
Alito is a little pussy, huh? 'If we rule against the mandate are you going to say that the Court is killing people?' or what about Gorsuck... who literally said the flu kills "hundreds of thousands of people a year" (when its actually 36k on average) this is what happens when one gets their information from Fox n all... a mind corrupted by lies, hyperbole, exaggerations and non-literal commentaries I didn't see that quote. Maybe he meant worldwide. Which is probably accurate. The fact checkers gave him a pass but nobody here trusts them so I didn't bother mentioning it |
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