muttley
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Post by muttley on Oct 23, 2019 14:24:59 GMT
How do you know that the holes, are his holes? .. and .. farmer has "sacred ideas about the phenomenal world"?? are you joking? I can assure you dude... I have exactly zero sacred ideas about anything (** snicker **)
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Post by muttley on Oct 23, 2019 14:25:15 GMT
How do you know that the holes, are his holes? .. and .. farmer has "sacred ideas about the phenomenal world"?? are you joking? I thought she was talking about Satch. Why?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:43:13 GMT
unless we're rooting out false prophets, and we all know how important that work is It's a sacred task! All in God's plan. Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:45:08 GMT
unless we're rooting out false prophets, and we all know how important that work is Nah, that's not what's goin' on. Different peeps, different conversations, that's all.
sorry, I didn't realize it's a sore spot for you
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 15:00:45 GMT
hmm, I can see that. He is quickly entering into the irritation mode which I definitely see that as a problematic. I always wonder what he means by Peace? His Peace is including everything, irritation, terrific anger Like ZD. ZD's realization doesn't free him yet but still claims that he is SR. I thought we were talking about UG. Why would you want to? He was irritable most of the time.
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Post by muttley on Oct 23, 2019 15:18:44 GMT
Nah, that's not what's goin' on. Different peeps, different conversations, that's all.
sorry, I didn't realize it's a sore spot for you
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 16:58:55 GMT
"Can you sit quietly, without distraction, and for how long?" yes. for hours. until I get hungry.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 23, 2019 17:59:11 GMT
Yeah, that's the thing though, everyone who is arguing that 'it can be known/I do know' (or specifically in your case, 'not knowing comes to an end') HAS indeed been writing about absence of identification, absence of attachment to the phenomenal for a very long time, but all that writing is now questionable as it's revealed they don't have reference for 'not knowing.' They have somehow supposedly ceased to identify with any-thing that can be conceived of, and yet somehow still insist they 'know' absolute truths about relative things....failing to see that the two are incompatible. You don't get absence of identification while keeping absolute knowledge about the relative. Absence of identification = realizing all perceivables, the entire phenomenal world of experience, to be an empty appearance. Oh my, what are we, in kindergarten? Sounds to me as though you might be a tad identified with the experience/appearance of passage of 'time.' No, you're morphing my statement that not-knowing can come to an end into a claim of knowledge. As far as the childishness is concerned, if you're speaking to someone who has their finger in their ears, you have to gesture to get their attention. Is it really a morph though? Isn't that what the end of an absence would have to be? A presence?.... there's some mysterious sort of 'in between' middle layer, betwix an absence of NOT knowing and knowing? You're calling me out for suggesting the obvious, and all the while holding out on where I go wrong in that suggestion. It's like if I said to you; My absence of eating has come to an end, and you responded with "oh, so you're eating again"? And I say, "you're morphing my statement," But completely holding out on how my absence of eating does not in fact equal "eating." The only way for 'not eating' to end is to start eating. The end of an absence of 'something,' is the re-introduction of that 'something'. As I've said previously though, I'm not quite sure you and I are talking about the same, when we reference 'not knowing,' so that might be the issue.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 23, 2019 18:25:14 GMT
Well, from what you've written in the past, I'd surmise that you're referring here to your change of heart about what E' was writing, but can you pinpoint a specific moment in time when the realization occurred? I can indeed. However, I'd had moments in the past where I'd momentarily seen the totality to be empty, but very quickly, mind would leap back in to reserve a sacred idea or two, (in one instance, I was wiping my toddlers ass during toilet training and literally, fell on my own ass on the bathroom floor, laughing) thus, that moment where the seeing through of it all was complete in that mind didn't jump back in to claim something for itself, wasn't as mind-blowing as some describe awakening to be. I was though, initially hit by the 'complete starkness'....the absolute 'nothing to hang a hat upon.' I think for many, the 'non-complete' insights and glimpses and momentary seeing throughs/temporary losses can happen for years and then there's 'the final straw,' like that. Is it 'modeling a notion' to be very, very clear that a realization is a loss...a seeing through....an absence? The seeing through of the illusion of separation...the seeing through of the phenomenal world, all perceivables as NOT having inherent, independent substance? And that it is 'complete' only if that seeing through is complete? Yeah, for me, "awakening," has a very specific meaning. Guilty as charged. What 'notion' in particular are you taking issue with? Where I scorned or ridiculed, you can bet it had something to do with the tone of the entire conversation. And, Fwiw, I've never used the specific term "SR," ....whenever folks outright and directly asked me if I was specifically "Self Realized" I'd explain it wasn't I term I used. But yes, it's very possible to think you are fully 'awake,' SR, liberated, but still have some blind spots. And yes, folks generally don't like even the merest suggestion that they may not be as awake as they think they are. Just look how you're reacting here.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 23, 2019 18:29:14 GMT
Oh, too late....they're already full.....with 'sacred ideas about the phenomenal world.' How do you know that the holes, are his holes? .. and .. farmer has "sacred ideas about the phenomenal world"?? are you joking? I wasn't talking about Farmer. I'm talking about those who are clearly still holding to sacred ideas....Satchi...Reefs.....ZD....Andrew...you. Who knows what Farmer thinks, whether there's holes in his message or not...he never posts any actual content, just flies in once & awhile to kick me.
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