Post by Figgles on Oct 5, 2019 20:53:10 GMT
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Aug 11, 2013 at 8:20am zendancer said:
E: I totally agree with your distinction between experiences and realizations, but what are your thoughts about experiences that trigger realizations? To use OHC's example, a child who believes in Santa Claus spots his parents placing gifts under a christmas tree and suddenly realizes who Santa Claus is. The child has an experience which results in a realization.
Peeps wanting to understand "what's going on," existentially, often have woo-woo experiences that trigger one or several different realizations, and in the case of the Buddha, it appears that a single big woo-woo experience led to full self-realization. I'd like to hear your take on this, as well as Tzu's, Figs', etc.
Aug 11, 2013 at 8:20am zendancer said:
E: I totally agree with your distinction between experiences and realizations, but what are your thoughts about experiences that trigger realizations? To use OHC's example, a child who believes in Santa Claus spots his parents placing gifts under a christmas tree and suddenly realizes who Santa Claus is. The child has an experience which results in a realization.
Peeps wanting to understand "what's going on," existentially, often have woo-woo experiences that trigger one or several different realizations, and in the case of the Buddha, it appears that a single big woo-woo experience led to full self-realization. I'd like to hear your take on this, as well as Tzu's, Figs', etc.
Reefs: That Santa Claus realization has nothing to do with self-realization. So in my book it's not a realization but a conclusion, like "so if it's them who put those gifts there, well, then Santa Claus is just imagination".
I wouldn't say that woo-woo experiences trigger self-realization. That would mean that the content of the individual mindscape would somehow be relevant or even important. I'd rather say that realization can be accompanied by woo-woo. And it seems to depend on the content of the individual mindscape how the woo-woo is going to unfold or if there's going to be any woo-woo at all. So, folks like the Buddha, who had been on a path for a long time with a lot of brainwashing are more likely to have a big woo-woo than folks that didn't spend that much time in the spiritual circus and the spiritual unicorn land like Ramana and Niz maybe. UG, who was thoroughly brainwashed by the spiritual circus, also had a big woo-woo which he thought seemed to be important at the beginning. Later he regretted even mentioning it.
I wouldn't say that woo-woo experiences trigger self-realization. That would mean that the content of the individual mindscape would somehow be relevant or even important. I'd rather say that realization can be accompanied by woo-woo. And it seems to depend on the content of the individual mindscape how the woo-woo is going to unfold or if there's going to be any woo-woo at all. So, folks like the Buddha, who had been on a path for a long time with a lot of brainwashing are more likely to have a big woo-woo than folks that didn't spend that much time in the spiritual circus and the spiritual unicorn land like Ramana and Niz maybe. UG, who was thoroughly brainwashed by the spiritual circus, also had a big woo-woo which he thought seemed to be important at the beginning. Later he regretted even mentioning it.
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Amazing, I said pretty much exactly the same thing to you Reefs when you first began talking about your CC/Kensho.