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Adya
Feb 5, 2020 2:27:41 GMT
Post by Figgles on Feb 5, 2020 2:27:41 GMT
I have seen something which I am trying to explain you. Story decides the kind of experience you have to undergo. If something is not pissing you off, then you story is not moving you that way. But every single individual is slave to the story. Jesus was crucified on the cross but he knew beforehand that he would be undergoing such a situation but that doesn't releases him from the suffering. Story is everything. Would you like to hear me? Or you would be telling your stories to me? OK, then. I hear you. You’ve accepted the limitations of the dream you’ve been drawn into. Realization is of THAT which is prior to the dream. What you actually are is THAT. Bump. |
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Adya
Feb 15, 2020 17:26:50 GMT
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Post by someNothing on Feb 15, 2020 17:26:50 GMT
OK, then. I hear you. You’ve accepted the limitations of the dream you’ve been drawn into. Realization is of THAT which is prior to the dream. What you actually are is THAT. Bump. Yes. Bump. Maybe what Gopal is “struggling” (not sure if this is right term; he may just be overly curious) with is why one doesn’t remain in abidance once Truth is seen, and everything doesn’t just turn out woweezowee all the time. As such, he wonders why people still “struggle” in convos on such topics as found here and ST. He can verify whether or not this is the case. |
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Adya
Feb 15, 2020 17:51:58 GMT
Post by Figgles on Feb 15, 2020 17:51:58 GMT
Yes. Bump. Maybe what Gopal is “struggling” (not sure if this is right term; he may just be overly curious) with is why one doesn’t remain in abidance once Truth is seen, and everything doesn’t just turn out woweezowee all the time. As such, he wonders why people still “struggle” in convos on such topics as found here and ST. He can verify whether or not this is the case. Yes. He seems to be equating waking up/SR with experiential circumstance that forever, constantly, abidingly conforms/manifests according to personal preference/interests. It's important to see that personal preferences/interests are themselves appearances... arisings within the story....it's true that in clarity, those preferences and interests DO sometimes shift and change in important ways, but never so much that they dissolve completely, which is what it would take for the roller-coaster to flatten out completely....and man, that would sure make for a very dull and boring experience if somehow it did happen.  |
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Adya
Feb 15, 2020 19:45:02 GMT
Post by Enigma on Feb 15, 2020 19:45:02 GMT
Yes. Bump. Maybe what Gopal is “struggling” (not sure if this is right term; he may just be overly curious) with is why one doesn’t remain in abidance once Truth is seen, and everything doesn’t just turn out woweezowee all the time. As such, he wonders why people still “struggle” in convos on such topics as found here and ST. He can verify whether or not this is the case. Yes. He seems to be equating waking up/SR with experiential circumstance that forever, constantly, abidingly conforms/manifests according to personal preference/interests. It's important to see that personal preferences/interests are themselves appearances... arisings within the story....it's true that in clarity, those preferences and interests DO sometimes shift and change in important ways, but never so much that they dissolve completely, which is what it would take for the roller-coaster to flatten out completely....and man, that would sure make for a very dull and boring experience if somehow it did happen. I think that's right about Gopal's understanding. Perhaps because he's not realizing the existential impact of identifying himself as a person who lives and dies in the world, and how this view colors perception with a subtle sense of tragedy. He would need to know that before he can see how the world could be engaged as it is without suffering. |
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Adya
Feb 16, 2020 0:04:19 GMT
Post by Figgles on Feb 16, 2020 0:04:19 GMT
Yes. He seems to be equating waking up/SR with experiential circumstance that forever, constantly, abidingly conforms/manifests according to personal preference/interests. It's important to see that personal preferences/interests are themselves appearances... arisings within the story....it's true that in clarity, those preferences and interests DO sometimes shift and change in important ways, but never so much that they dissolve completely, which is what it would take for the roller-coaster to flatten out completely....and man, that would sure make for a very dull and boring experience if somehow it did happen. I think that's right about Gopal's understanding. Perhaps because he's not realizing the existential impact of identifying himself as a person who lives and dies in the world, and how this view colors perception with a subtle sense of tragedy. He would need to know that before he can see how the world could be engaged as it is without suffering. Yes, to all of that. And the bolded.....wow....really well put.....'colors perception with a subtle sense of tragedy.' Damn.  |
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Adya
Aug 15, 2021 18:52:34 GMT
Post by Figgles on Aug 15, 2021 18:52:34 GMT
Three quite perfect quotes there as we engage in discussion/debate about the dream-scape. The acceptance that some degree of resistance is inevitable and there is nothing else to do but accept/allow that, is extremely important as is the idea of unconditional love that has us respecting and treating neighbors as we'd like to be treated. As someone who highly values freedom, I of course want that for all, and so long as the views of another do not infringe upon my valuing of freedom, it's all good. And the last, the capacity to see and acknowledge ALL views, indeed important but not to be conflated with 'valuing' all opinions equally. It's unrealistic to think that just because one is awake he will cease to have an opinion...personal values....likes/dislikes. |
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