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Post by Figgles on May 21, 2022 6:34:10 GMT
No answer from you yet on this one Satchi. Can you explain this contradiction? do I really need to explain this apparent contradiction to one who claims to have seen through the illusion of separation? You flip-flopped. Again. On one hand you are saying that "identifying with the human body contradicts the view that consciousness is not personal." And on the other you are saying that identification with the body continues on, even for the sage. Which is it Satchi? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 6:35:51 GMT
do I really need to explain this apparent contradiction to one who claims to have seen through the illusion of separation? You flip-flopped. Again. On one hand you are saying that "identifying with the human body contradicts the view that consciousness is not personal." And on the other you are saying that identification with the body continues on, even for the sage. Which is it Satchi? why don't you show me that you understand why the sage says I am the body and the ignorant also says that I am the body because that's what you told me before so let's hear why the statement from the sage is valid. Because you know don't you? |
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Post by Figgles on May 21, 2022 6:37:20 GMT
You flip-flopped. Again. On one hand you are saying that "identifying with the human body contradicts the view that consciousness is not personal." And on the other you are saying that identification with the body continues on, even for the sage. Which is it Satchi? why don't you show me that you understand why the sage says I am the body and the ignorant also says that I am the body because that's what you told me before so let's hear why the statement from the sage is valid. Because you know don't you? I've explained that already. I'm waiting for you to explain your blatant contradiction. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 6:39:38 GMT
why don't you show me that you understand why the sage says I am the body and the ignorant also says that I am the body because that's what you told me before so let's hear why the statement from the sage is valid. Because you know don't you? I've explained that already. I'm waiting for you to explain your blatant contradiction. if you really understand you will see there is no contradiction. I see no contradiction. Are you telling me you see a contradiction? |
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Post by Figgles on May 21, 2022 6:43:57 GMT
I've explained that already. I'm waiting for you to explain your blatant contradiction. if you really understand you will see there is no contradiction. I see no contradiction. Are you telling me you see a contradiction? Yes, there is contradiction! The sage says "I am the body," but but there is no identification with the body inherent to that. You had it right in your first quote; 'identifying with the human body contradicts the view that consciousness is not personal.' If that is so, and it is, that means that one who identifies with the body, has the view that consciousness is personal. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 6:45:29 GMT
if you really understand you will see there is no contradiction. I see no contradiction. Are you telling me you see a contradiction? Yes, there is contradiction! The sage says "I am the body," but but there is no identification with the body inherent to that. You had it right in your first quote; 'identifying with the human body contradicts the view that consciousness is not personal.' If that is so, and it is, that means that one who identifies with the body, has the view that consciousness is personal. for me there is no contradiction. |
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Post by Figgles on May 21, 2022 6:48:26 GMT
Yes, there is contradiction! The sage says "I am the body," but but there is no identification with the body inherent to that. You had it right in your first quote; 'identifying with the human body contradicts the view that consciousness is not personal.' If that is so, and it is, that means that one who identifies with the body, has the view that consciousness is personal. for me there is no contradiction. So what did you mean when you told sree on ST there that 'identifying with the human body contradicts the view that consciousness is not personal'? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 6:54:50 GMT
for me there is no contradiction. So what did you mean when you told sree on ST there that 'identifying with the human body contradicts the view that consciousness is not personal'? because it's true. You do not understand the subtle difference between taking yourself to be exclusively the body which is the state of ignorance compared to the sage who says I also take myself to be the body but the difference is that this body is no different to the totality of reality which is one "indivisible flow". (Your words). You don't have the direct experience to have that understanding that there is no contradiction yet you speak about oneness and non-separation as if you actually understand what it is. |
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Post by Figgles on May 21, 2022 6:57:06 GMT
So what did you mean when you told sree on ST there that 'identifying with the human body contradicts the view that consciousness is not personal'? You do not understand the subtle difference between taking yourself to be exclusively the body which is the state of ignorance compared to the sage who says I also take myself to be the body but the difference is that this body is no different to the totality of reality which is one "indivisible flow". (Your words). You don't have the direct experience to have that understanding that there is no contradiction yet you speak about oneness and non-separation as if you actually understand what it is. Yes, it IS true that's it's a contradiction. Which means, you're full of it when you insist that identification with the body continues post SR...continues for the sage. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 7:02:16 GMT
because it's true. You do not understand the subtle difference between taking yourself to be exclusively the body which is the state of ignorance compared to the sage who says I also take myself to be the body but the difference is that this body is no different to the totality of reality which is one "indivisible flow". (Your words). You don't have the direct experience to have that understanding that there is no contradiction yet you speak about oneness and non-separation as if you actually understand what it is. Yes, it IS true that's it's a contradiction. Which means, you're full of it when you insist that identification with the body continues post SR...continues for the sage. I'm sorry but I cannot help you. I cannot make you see the truth with mere words. Your arrogance is getting too much in the way. |
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