Enigma
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Post by Enigma on May 24, 2019 16:19:47 GMT
God has worked out a plan for us? Sure, it’s one way of putting it. It’s a pointer to non-doership. It's also a story referencing a personal God. I think I've mentioned before that I prefer stories that are as close to the truth as possible because the further away the stories get, the more confusion there is down the line for the seeker. A good pointer can potentially be realized as being true. It doesn't make sense to teach a pointer about nonvolition while lying about predetermination.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on May 24, 2019 16:55:26 GMT
Sure, it’s one way of putting it. It’s a pointer to non-doership. It's also a story referencing a personal God. I think I've mentioned before that I prefer stories that are as close to the truth as possible because the further away the stories get, the more confusion there is down the line for the seeker. A good pointer can potentially be realized as being true. It doesn't make sense to teach a pointer about nonvolition while lying about predetermination. It’s as valid a story as any and more valid than most. It’s good for seekers to believe in a God that controls the universe if they have any inclination in that direction. Grace operates. For it is certainly true that God exists, even if it isn’t what we think it is. If things can be said to be, then so can predetermination...
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Post by Enigma on May 24, 2019 19:33:43 GMT
It's also a story referencing a personal God. I think I've mentioned before that I prefer stories that are as close to the truth as possible because the further away the stories get, the more confusion there is down the line for the seeker. A good pointer can potentially be realized as being true. It doesn't make sense to teach a pointer about nonvolition while lying about predetermination. It’s as valid a story as any and more valid than most. It’s good for seekers to believe in a God that controls the universe if they have any inclination in that direction. Grace operates. For it is certainly true that God exists, even if it isn’t what we think it is. If things can be said to be, then so can predetermination... I couldn't disagree more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 13:41:54 GMT
Actually the human body cannot keep silent. There's something else that enters the silence. It has nothing to do with your humanity. It's only after years perhaps of meditation in previous lives, that you can be mature enough to really know what this path is all about. When I give you these practices, it's not for you as a human being. You appear to be able to go through it as a human being, but I can assure you your humanity has nothing to do with it. When you enter the silence you enter a profound peace, bliss consciousness, pure awareness. That's what the silence is. It's not being quiet. It's beyond that. It's not just quieting your mind, like I say all the time. It's understanding that there's no mind to quiet. When you realize there's no mind, you automatically become silent. When you still think you've got a mind, you make every effort to quiet the mind, and you can't. How many of you believe you can quiet the mind through effort? You can't do that. It's not the effort that makes you quiet your mind. It's the intelligent understanding that you have no mind to begin with. Then you just keep still and everything takes care of itself. ~ Robert Adams
I'm pretty certain I read a post from zendancer on the "Destroying the Mind" thread over at ST pointing at this, too.
So much for the 'obliterating/destroying/annihilating the mind' nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:08:07 GMT
Actually the human body cannot keep silent. There's something else that enters the silence. It has nothing to do with your humanity. It's only after years perhaps of meditation in previous lives, that you can be mature enough to really know what this path is all about. When I give you these practices, it's not for you as a human being. You appear to be able to go through it as a human being, but I can assure you your humanity has nothing to do with it. When you enter the silence you enter a profound peace, bliss consciousness, pure awareness. That's what the silence is. It's not being quiet. It's beyond that. It's not just quieting your mind, like I say all the time. It's understanding that there's no mind to quiet. When you realize there's no mind, you automatically become silent. When you still think you've got a mind, you make every effort to quiet the mind, and you can't. How many of you believe you can quiet the mind through effort? You can't do that. It's not the effort that makes you quiet your mind. It's the intelligent understanding that you have no mind to begin with. Then you just keep still and everything takes care of itself. ~ Robert Adams I'm pretty certain I read a post from zendancer on the "Destroying the Mind" thread over at ST pointing at this, too. So much for the 'obliterating/destroying/annihilating the mind' nonsense. Yeah that's just so cool man!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:14:49 GMT
Actually the human body cannot keep silent. There's something else that enters the silence. It has nothing to do with your humanity. It's only after years perhaps of meditation in previous lives, that you can be mature enough to really know what this path is all about. When I give you these practices, it's not for you as a human being. You appear to be able to go through it as a human being, but I can assure you your humanity has nothing to do with it. When you enter the silence you enter a profound peace, bliss consciousness, pure awareness. That's what the silence is. It's not being quiet. It's beyond that. It's not just quieting your mind, like I say all the time. It's understanding that there's no mind to quiet. When you realize there's no mind, you automatically become silent. When you still think you've got a mind, you make every effort to quiet the mind, and you can't. How many of you believe you can quiet the mind through effort? You can't do that. It's not the effort that makes you quiet your mind. It's the intelligent understanding that you have no mind to begin with. Then you just keep still and everything takes care of itself. ~ Robert Adams I'm pretty certain I read a post from zendancer on the "Destroying the Mind" thread over at ST pointing at this, too. So much for the 'obliterating/destroying/annihilating the mind' nonsense. Yeah that's just so cool man! So what? That was then, this is now. I gently watch the breath. Mind becomes quiescent. It's not destroyed or obliterated. Not even close to being annihilated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:17:36 GMT
Yeah that's just so cool man! So what? That was then, this is now. I gently watch the breath. Mind becomes quiescent. It's not destroyed or obliterated. Not even close to being annihilated. For God's sake art, challenge me with some intelligence!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:23:56 GMT
So what? That was then, this is now. I gently watch the breath. Mind becomes quiescent. It's not destroyed or obliterated. Not even close to being annihilated. For God's sake art, challenge me with some intelligence! Unlearn!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:30:25 GMT
For God's sake art, challenge me with some intelligence! Unlearn! So your mind gets quiet. Big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 19:54:52 GMT
So your mind gets quiet. Big deal. . Not this, not that.. So, to conclude, there is only one IS - you are THAT. So, there you go. I normally try to keep my posts short, but I felt you needed a response this time with eight or nine enormous paragraphs to sate your appetite for more knowledge coz you are an ex-spurt (expoight?) spouting expurtiveness. Thank goodness the tech guy just left. He was a nice enough guy, but he was here for what seemed like an eternity, and constantly in and out through the front entry while I was typing. Thank goodness it's Friday!!
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