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Post by siftingtothetruth on May 22, 2019 15:03:51 GMT
There are times like these:
What happens is that the mind falls into a state of waking deep sleep from which occasional yelps, deep growls, and involuntary sighs escape, in something analogous but inverted from falling very lightly and anxiously asleep in class and jerking awake, or tossing and turning in bad when one only has an hour or two before a flight, yipping yourself awake sometimes in the confusion between waking and sleep.
Even breathing becomes — sometimes — something which pauses for stretches, and suddenly, at the last minute, is saved with a massive involuntary inhale.
Seconds or minutes of sitting in latency, just sitting, are uninterrupted by sudden jump starts to the window to open it, or to the computer to type these words. For of course it’s not about inhibiting action, not at all. Whatever action comes involuntarily is — what it is. It is only a refrainment from the voluntary mind-muscular decision-action.
Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 15:14:41 GMT
Anyone know what I'm talking about? Not entirely sure but I'm interested to hear more. A state akin to wakeful sleep is good. Very good!
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Post by siftingtothetruth on May 22, 2019 15:32:00 GMT
Anyone know what I'm talking about? Not entirely sure but I'm interested to hear more. A state akin to wakeful sleep is good. Very good! Yes, jagrat sushupti . There is of course a transcendental jagrat sushupti -- that which is simply the case. The Truth beyond words. So there is that absolute and perfect waking sleep. However, I was trying to describe what happens to the mind over time as it increasingly falls away in the face of this Truth. It's like an eternal fall into an abyss, growing quieter and quieter over time. Stray thoughts of doership/enjoyership fall away, and from the mind's point of view, it increasingly resembles a waking sleep... the consciousness of the waking world fades, and action itself takes on a dreamy quality. The key point is the decreasing use of calculating thought or of deliberate, voluntary decision of any kind, even in the smallest circumstance. A few relevant quotes here: "After the mind ceases to exist and bliss of peace has been realised, one will find it then as difficult to bring out a thought, as he now finds it difficult to keep out all thoughts." -Ramana Maharshi "[The wise] act with their organs of action with as much unconcern as babies move their bodies in their half-sleep state." -Yoga Vasistha "They who have vision of transcendent light, owing to their heedlessness of everything in this world, have slow and silent motion like that of a hidden water course." -Yoga Vasistha "The master idler, to whom even blinking is a bother, is happy. But he is the only one." -Ashtavakra Gita "The good persons will not care to make plans previous to their actions. Why so? For God who has sent us into the world has His own plan and that will certainly work itself out." -RM
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 16:19:48 GMT
However, I was trying to describe what happens to the mind over time as it increasingly falls away in the face of this Truth. It's like an eternal fall into an abyss, growing quieter and quieter over time. Stray thoughts of doership/enjoyership fall away, and from the mind's point of view, it increasingly resembles a waking sleep... the consciousness of the waking world fades, and action itself takes on a dreamy quality. The key point is the decreasing use of calculating thought or of deliberate, voluntary decision of any kind, even in the smallest circumstance. That's excellent. I understand you totally.
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Post by Enigma on May 23, 2019 0:14:02 GMT
Not entirely sure but I'm interested to hear more. A state akin to wakeful sleep is good. Very good! Yes, jagrat sushupti . There is of course a transcendental jagrat sushupti -- that which is simply the case. The Truth beyond words. So there is that absolute and perfect waking sleep. However, I was trying to describe what happens to the mind over time as it increasingly falls away in the face of this Truth. It's like an eternal fall into an abyss, growing quieter and quieter over time. Stray thoughts of doership/enjoyership fall away, and from the mind's point of view, it increasingly resembles a waking sleep... the consciousness of the waking world fades, and action itself takes on a dreamy quality. The key point is the decreasing use of calculating thought or of deliberate, voluntary decision of any kind, even in the smallest circumstance. A few relevant quotes here: "After the mind ceases to exist and bliss of peace has been realised, one will find it then as difficult to bring out a thought, as he now finds it difficult to keep out all thoughts." -Ramana Maharshi "[The wise] act with their organs of action with as much unconcern as babies move their bodies in their half-sleep state." -Yoga Vasistha "They who have vision of transcendent light, owing to their heedlessness of everything in this world, have slow and silent motion like that of a hidden water course." -Yoga Vasistha "The master idler, to whom even blinking is a bother, is happy. But he is the only one." -Ashtavakra Gita "The good persons will not care to make plans previous to their actions. Why so? For God who has sent us into the world has His own plan and that will certainly work itself out." -RMSerial?
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Post by siftingtothetruth on May 23, 2019 0:23:24 GMT
Yes, jagrat sushupti . There is of course a transcendental jagrat sushupti -- that which is simply the case. The Truth beyond words. So there is that absolute and perfect waking sleep. However, I was trying to describe what happens to the mind over time as it increasingly falls away in the face of this Truth. It's like an eternal fall into an abyss, growing quieter and quieter over time. Stray thoughts of doership/enjoyership fall away, and from the mind's point of view, it increasingly resembles a waking sleep... the consciousness of the waking world fades, and action itself takes on a dreamy quality. The key point is the decreasing use of calculating thought or of deliberate, voluntary decision of any kind, even in the smallest circumstance. A few relevant quotes here: "After the mind ceases to exist and bliss of peace has been realised, one will find it then as difficult to bring out a thought, as he now finds it difficult to keep out all thoughts." -Ramana Maharshi "[The wise] act with their organs of action with as much unconcern as babies move their bodies in their half-sleep state." -Yoga Vasistha "They who have vision of transcendent light, owing to their heedlessness of everything in this world, have slow and silent motion like that of a hidden water course." -Yoga Vasistha "The master idler, to whom even blinking is a bother, is happy. But he is the only one." -Ashtavakra Gita "The good persons will not care to make plans previous to their actions. Why so? For God who has sent us into the world has His own plan and that will certainly work itself out." -RMSerial? Sorry, what does that mean? No comprendo.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 2:34:46 GMT
What felt like a 15-20 minute meditation was actually a 30-35 minute meditation which ended in the massive involuntary inhale. Did your breathing stop or become extremely shallow?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 9:28:39 GMT
Did your breathing stop or become extremely shallow? Both have been encountered through the years. In meditation, or self inquiry. It sometimes happens while engaged in activity, too. I know you've had the encounter, too, because we've discussed it elsewhere. (what's the name of that other discussion board?) Subtleness of breath is one of the first questions I ask when I teach someone. It is indicative of a deep subduing of mind. Sometimes it can be followed by a sudden gasp for breath, but that usually disappears after a time.
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Post by Enigma on May 24, 2019 0:24:21 GMT
Serial? Sorry, what does that mean? No comprendo. God has worked out a plan for us?
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Post by siftingtothetruth on May 24, 2019 0:44:20 GMT
Sorry, what does that mean? No comprendo. God has worked out a plan for us? Sure, it’s one way of putting it. It’s a pointer to non-doership.
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