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Post by Figgles on Apr 28, 2017 16:19:04 GMT
The fundamental practice of LOA, (of consciously directing experience) is really just the practice of 'not going along with' or 'not getting swept up in,' negative, limiting thought/ideation. And ultimately, that is a non-doing. It's really not so different than the practice of attending to present moment thought, or 'being' present and conscious. The only difference is the overall goal of not getting swept away in thoughts of limitation...of seeing those thoughts as they arise, and then re-focusing, either by quieting mind, or re-directing to a thought that is more in alignment with Source. At first, that 'not going along with,' involves attentiveness to thought content. Behind that attentiveness and resultant refusal to 'get swept up in limiting thought,' is always, desire itself. And try as you might, in any given moment, You cannot make yourself desire something that you do not presently desire. After all, if your desire to not desire a particular something, were stronger than the desire you want to eliminate, that desire you want to eliminate, would be weaker and thus easy to overcome.  The desire to be attentive to mind content for the purpose of creating a shift in experience, is either there or it isn't. A mild, weak desire will be strengthened by faith/belief...so, if you are someone who kinda, sorta likes the idea of creating a shift in your experience, but you are skeptical that this is actually possible, look for ways to augment your belief. (again though, you will only follow through and do this, IF your desire to do so, is strong enough). Find stories of others who have successfully used LOA, (attentiveness and re-direction of focus to create a shift in experience), and do short term experiments on your own, to prove to yourself how even an hour of attentiveness, and re-direct of focus when limiting ideas arise, refusing to get swept away with them, has the ability to create an experiential shift. If one truly believes to the point of 'knowing,' that refusing to get caught up and swept away in negative/limiting ideas will afford him a greater sense of experienced peace, and even a shift in the circumstances of his life, that will indeed strengthen the desire to be attentive to thought content, and be selective about which thoughts to 'go along with,' by adding the element of expectation. A desire that goes hand in hand with strong expectation of it's fulfillment, results in a strong resolve to behave in ways that support that fulfillment. I like to suggest that one start with half hour increments. Make it your goal to stay attentive to thought content for half an hour, and if/when a stinkin-thinkin stream starts flowing, see it for what it is, but do not jump in, re-focus to a more aligned stream of thought, or simply re-focus up breath. There really is a point where this starts to become habitual. This practice is a wonderful means of coming to see that I am not the thoughts that arise, which again, supports experienced peace. LOA actually dovetails quite nicely with nonduality imo. First, We see there is no separation, that all is One, That all arises within/to Being, and then we are completely free to get our hands into the clay to have the most fun in the dreamscape we can possibly have. "You're picky about the car you drive. You're picky about what you wear. You're picky about what you put in your mouth. We want you to be pickier about what you think." AH Excerpted from Napa, CA - Thursday, February 27th, 1997 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 16:53:26 GMT
The fundamental practice of LOA, (of consciously directing experience) is really just the practice of 'not going along with' or 'not getting swept up in,' negative, limiting thought/ideation. And ultimately, that is a non-doing. It's really not so different than the practice of attending to present moment thought, or 'being' present and conscious. The only difference is the overall goal of not getting swept away in thoughts of limitation...of seeing those thoughts as they arise, and then re-focusing, either by quieting mind, or re-directing to a thought that is more in alignment with Source. At first, that 'not going along with,' involves attentiveness to thought content. Behind that attentiveness and resultant refusal to 'get swept up in limiting thought,' is always, desire itself. And try as you might, in any given moment, You cannot make yourself desire something that you do not presently desire. After all, if your desire to not desire a particular something, were stronger than the desire you want to eliminate, that desire you want to eliminate, would be weaker and thus easy to overcome. The desire to be attentive to mind content for the purpose of creating a shift in experience, is either there or it isn't. A mild, weak desire will be strengthened by faith/belief...so, if you are someone who kinda, sorta likes the idea of creating a shift in your experience, but you are skeptical that this is actually possible, look for ways to augment your belief. (again though, you will only follow through and do this, IF your desire to do so, is strong enough). Find stories of others who have successfully used LOA, (attentiveness and re-direction of focus to create a shift in experience), and do short term experiments on your own, to prove to yourself how even an hour of attentiveness, and re-direct of focus when limiting ideas arise, refusing to get swept away with them, has the ability to create an experiential shift. If one truly believes to the point of 'knowing,' that refusing to get caught up and swept away in negative/limiting ideas will afford him a greater sense of experienced peace, and even a shift in the circumstances of his life, that will indeed strengthen the desire to be attentive to thought content, and be selective about which thoughts to 'go along with,' by adding the element of expectation. A desire that goes hand in hand with strong expectation of it's fulfillment, results in a strong resolve to behave in ways that support that fulfillment. I like to suggest that one start with half hour increments. Make it your goal to stay attentive to thought content for half an hour, and if/when a stinkin-thinkin stream starts flowing, see it for what it is, but do not jump in, re-focus to a more aligned stream of thought, or simply re-focus away from the limiting thought, focusing instead, upon breath. There really is a point where this starts to become habitual...where the moment a non-aligned thought arises, the dissonance is felt immediately and re-focusing happens. And then gradually, those non-aligned thoughts become less and less likely to arise...where even the most incremental bit of negativity, stands out like a sore thumb, and there's an instant re-alignment of thought content with Source. Important to mention, This practice is a wonderful means of coming to see that I am not the thoughts that arise, which again, supports experienced peace. LOA actually dovetails quite nicely with nonduality imo. First, We see there is no separation, that all is One, That all arises within/to Being, and then we are completely free to get our hands into the clay to have the most fun in the dreamscape we can possibly have. This is really well shared, Figs. So well shared that I'm going to work with it. I sense it will compliment my meditation practice rather well. It felt like a very deep accepting of the reflection of Being as I read what you shared here. Thanks for posting this. I'll be staying tuned to this channel! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 18:40:59 GMT
The fundamental practice of LOA, (of consciously directing experience) is really just the practice of 'not going along with' or 'not getting swept up in,' negative, limiting thought/ideation. And ultimately, that is a non-doing. It's really not so different than the practice of attending to present moment thought, or 'being' present and conscious. The only difference is the overall goal of not getting swept away in thoughts of limitation...of seeing those thoughts as they arise, and then re-focusing, either by quieting mind, or re-directing to a thought that is more in alignment with Source. At first, that 'not going along with,' involves attentiveness to thought content. Behind that attentiveness and resultant refusal to 'get swept up in limiting thought,' is always, desire itself. And try as you might, in any given moment, You cannot make yourself desire something that you do not presently desire. After all, if your desire to not desire a particular something, were stronger than the desire you want to eliminate, that desire you want to eliminate, would be weaker and thus easy to overcome. The desire to be attentive to mind content for the purpose of creating a shift in experience, is either there or it isn't. A mild, weak desire will be strengthened by faith/belief...so, if you are someone who kinda, sorta likes the idea of creating a shift in your experience, but you are skeptical that this is actually possible, look for ways to augment your belief. (again though, you will only follow through and do this, IF your desire to do so, is strong enough). Find stories of others who have successfully used LOA, (attentiveness and re-direction of focus to create a shift in experience), and do short term experiments on your own, to prove to yourself how even an hour of attentiveness, and re-direct of focus when limiting ideas arise, refusing to get swept away with them, has the ability to create an experiential shift. If one truly believes to the point of 'knowing,' that refusing to get caught up and swept away in negative/limiting ideas will afford him a greater sense of experienced peace, and even a shift in the circumstances of his life, that will indeed strengthen the desire to be attentive to thought content, and be selective about which thoughts to 'go along with,' by adding the element of expectation. A desire that goes hand in hand with strong expectation of it's fulfillment, results in a strong resolve to behave in ways that support that fulfillment. I like to suggest that one start with half hour increments. Make it your goal to stay attentive to thought content for half an hour, and if/when a stinkin-thinkin stream starts flowing, see it for what it is, but do not jump in, re-focus to a more aligned stream of thought, or simply re-focus up breath. There really is a point where this starts to become habitual. This practice is a wonderful means of coming to see that I am not the thoughts that arise, which again, supports experienced peace. LOA actually dovetails quite nicely with nonduality imo. First, We see there is no separation, that all is One, That all arises within/to Being, and then we are completely free to get our hands into the clay to have the most fun in the dreamscape we can possibly have. "You're picky about the car you drive. You're picky about what you wear. You're picky about what you put in your mouth. We want you to be pickier about what you think." AH Excerpted from Napa, CA - Thursday, February 27th, 1997 Are you talking about deliberately creating the reality ? |
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Post by Figgles on Apr 28, 2017 20:01:34 GMT
The fundamental practice of LOA, (of consciously directing experience) is really just the practice of 'not going along with' or 'not getting swept up in,' negative, limiting thought/ideation. And ultimately, that is a non-doing. It's really not so different than the practice of attending to present moment thought, or 'being' present and conscious. The only difference is the overall goal of not getting swept away in thoughts of limitation...of seeing those thoughts as they arise, and then re-focusing, either by quieting mind, or re-directing to a thought that is more in alignment with Source. At first, that 'not going along with,' involves attentiveness to thought content. Behind that attentiveness and resultant refusal to 'get swept up in limiting thought,' is always, desire itself. And try as you might, in any given moment, You cannot make yourself desire something that you do not presently desire. After all, if your desire to not desire a particular something, were stronger than the desire you want to eliminate, that desire you want to eliminate, would be weaker and thus easy to overcome. The desire to be attentive to mind content for the purpose of creating a shift in experience, is either there or it isn't. A mild, weak desire will be strengthened by faith/belief...so, if you are someone who kinda, sorta likes the idea of creating a shift in your experience, but you are skeptical that this is actually possible, look for ways to augment your belief. (again though, you will only follow through and do this, IF your desire to do so, is strong enough). Find stories of others who have successfully used LOA, (attentiveness and re-direction of focus to create a shift in experience), and do short term experiments on your own, to prove to yourself how even an hour of attentiveness, and re-direct of focus when limiting ideas arise, refusing to get swept away with them, has the ability to create an experiential shift. If one truly believes to the point of 'knowing,' that refusing to get caught up and swept away in negative/limiting ideas will afford him a greater sense of experienced peace, and even a shift in the circumstances of his life, that will indeed strengthen the desire to be attentive to thought content, and be selective about which thoughts to 'go along with,' by adding the element of expectation. A desire that goes hand in hand with strong expectation of it's fulfillment, results in a strong resolve to behave in ways that support that fulfillment. I like to suggest that one start with half hour increments. Make it your goal to stay attentive to thought content for half an hour, and if/when a stinkin-thinkin stream starts flowing, see it for what it is, but do not jump in, re-focus to a more aligned stream of thought, or simply re-focus up breath. There really is a point where this starts to become habitual. This practice is a wonderful means of coming to see that I am not the thoughts that arise, which again, supports experienced peace. LOA actually dovetails quite nicely with nonduality imo. First, We see there is no separation, that all is One, That all arises within/to Being, and then we are completely free to get our hands into the clay to have the most fun in the dreamscape we can possibly have. "You're picky about the car you drive. You're picky about what you wear. You're picky about what you put in your mouth. We want you to be pickier about what you think." AH Excerpted from Napa, CA - Thursday, February 27th, 1997 Are you talking about deliberately creating the reality ? Well, until the tendency of thought towards harmony takes over, yes, there will be a sense of 'deliberately' creating in the sense that you are 'deliberately' turning attention/focus towards the positive with a specific end in mind. But once the thought patterns habituate towards alignment/harmony, there is a point where there's no longer that sense of being in the driver's seat, consciously/deliberately turning attention, which a particular manifestation in mind, 'cause at that point, it's just what naturally happens. & That may actually even overstating things, because there is a point where the thoughts that arise, are already in alignment, thus, no need (or really no way even) for attention to be anywhere else but right here, right now. AT the point where there is no longer any sense of deliberately turning attention towards positive/harmonious thought, it's simply known/observed that a desire arises and because there is no resistance to it, it manifests easily and effortlessly. Thus, 'deliberate creating,' simply becomes a dance of knowing what I want and knowing I'm gonna get it, without effort or fuss. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 14:24:30 GMT
Are you talking about deliberately creating the reality ? Well, until the tendency of thought towards harmony takes over, yes, there will be a sense of 'deliberately' creating in the sense that you are 'deliberately' turning attention/focus towards the positive with a specific end in mind. But once the thought patterns habituate towards alignment/harmony, there is a point where there's no longer that sense of being in the driver's seat, consciously/deliberately turning attention, which a particular manifestation in mind, 'cause at that point, it's just what naturally happens. & That may actually even overstating things, because there is a point where the thoughts that arise, are already in alignment, thus, no need (or really no way even) for attention to be anywhere else but right here, right now. AT the point where there is no longer any sense of deliberately turning attention towards positive/harmonious thought, it's simply known/observed that a desire arises and because there is no resistance to it, it manifests easily and effortlessly. Thus, 'deliberate creating,' simply becomes a dance of knowing what I want and knowing I'm gonna get it, without effort or fuss. Deliberately means I take the decision to create like, I want to visit America, I want to marry her, Once the want arises, I don't consider want as a deliberate creation, but I decide to set an intention at my subconscious level by using any of my reality creation technique is deliberately creating. |
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Post by Figgles on Apr 30, 2017 20:04:47 GMT
Well, until the tendency of thought towards harmony takes over, yes, there will be a sense of 'deliberately' creating in the sense that you are 'deliberately' turning attention/focus towards the positive with a specific end in mind. But once the thought patterns habituate towards alignment/harmony, there is a point where there's no longer that sense of being in the driver's seat, consciously/deliberately turning attention, which a particular manifestation in mind, 'cause at that point, it's just what naturally happens. & That may actually even overstating things, because there is a point where the thoughts that arise, are already in alignment, thus, no need (or really no way even) for attention to be anywhere else but right here, right now. AT the point where there is no longer any sense of deliberately turning attention towards positive/harmonious thought, it's simply known/observed that a desire arises and because there is no resistance to it, it manifests easily and effortlessly. Thus, 'deliberate creating,' simply becomes a dance of knowing what I want and knowing I'm gonna get it, without effort or fuss. Deliberately means I take the decision to create like, I want to visit America, I want to marry her, Once the want arises, I don't consider want as a deliberate creation, but I decide to set an intention at my subconscious level by using any of my reality creation technique is deliberately creating. Okay yes...I see the difference you are indicating between the arising of a desire, and the setting of intention and use of a technique. There is a point though, where even the setting of intention and even the use of a technique can also be seen to be an unfolding that was really not independently chosen by a separate, volitional entity...where the decision to do whatever one felt compelled to do, was also shaped by conditioning. But yes, it is rare for one to have seen that 'it's all just happening,' and still feel strongly compelled to 'effort' his way into a particular manifestation, as generally with that seeing, it's clearly seen/known that 'effort' is counterproductive. The manifesting tools I recommend, address that need to 'try/effort' to make things happen, vs. just allowing them to naturally unfold, as they will when we just get outta the way. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 16:55:08 GMT
Deliberately means I take the decision to create like, I want to visit America, I want to marry her, Once the want arises, I don't consider want as a deliberate creation, but I decide to set an intention at my subconscious level by using any of my reality creation technique is deliberately creating. Okay yes...I see the difference you are indicating between the arising of a desire, and the setting of intention and use of a technique. There is a point though, where even the setting of intention and even the use of a technique can also be seen to be an unfolding that was really not independently chosen by a separate, volitional entity...where the decision to do whatever one felt compelled to do, was also shaped by conditioning.
But yes, it is rare for one to have seen that 'it's all just happening,' and still feel strongly compelled to 'effort' his way into a particular manifestation, as generally with that seeing, it's clearly seen/known that 'effort' is counterproductive. The manifesting tools I recommend, address that need to 'try/effort' to make things happen, vs. just allowing them to naturally unfold, as they will when we just get outta the way. Yes, correct, that's my point as well. What is the difference between you and the person who believes in separation? Even if he believes in separation, his action doesn't arises from separate individual, it is arising from the whole, If so, why does he need to get the clarity? For what? Because whatever he does is from the whole not from the individual,right? That's where the problem lies but we would discuss this after you have answer the above question of mine. |
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Post by Figgles on May 1, 2017 22:36:31 GMT
Yes, correct, that's my point as well. What is the difference between you and the person who believes in separation? Even if he believes in separation, his action doesn't arises from separate individual, it is arising from the whole, If so, why does he need to get the clarity? For what? Because whatever he does is from the whole not from the individual,right? The difference is in the way life is experienced....the kind and quality of experience is different. One experiences misery and a sense of having to expend effort for things to go well, while the one who knows he is not separate, does not. Keep in mind, 'wholeness' includes, rather than excludes the individual and his experience. okay. But for the record, I don't see any problem with using a tool, so long as it's used as a sort of reminder that no effort is necessary. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 12:19:16 GMT
Yes, correct, that's my point as well. What is the difference between you and the person who believes in separation? Even if he believes in separation, his action doesn't arises from separate individual, it is arising from the whole, If so, why does he need to get the clarity? For what? Because whatever he does is from the whole not from the individual,right? The difference is in the way life is experienced....the kind and quality of experience is different. One experiences misery and a sense of having to expend effort for things to go well, while the one who knows he is not separate, does not. Keep in mind, 'wholeness' includes, rather than excludes the individual and his experience. okay. But for the record, I don't see any problem with using a tool, so long as it's used as a sort of reminder that no effort is necessary. None of the tools can be used without your effort. |
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Post by Figgles on May 3, 2017 16:02:22 GMT
The difference is in the way life is experienced....the kind and quality of experience is different. One experiences misery and a sense of having to expend effort for things to go well, while the one who knows he is not separate, does not. Keep in mind, 'wholeness' includes, rather than excludes the individual and his experience. okay. But for the record, I don't see any problem with using a tool, so long as it's used as a sort of reminder that no effort is necessary. None of the tools can be used without your effort. Well, there is taking action with an end in mind, absent any sense of struggle.....where taking that action is a joyous movement wholly absent of any sense of resistance, and then there is taking action but it feels like a chore, like something that 'must' be done, or else....basically this 2nd kind is rife with a sense of resistance and having to make an effort to get it done. If an action is perceived to be beneficial, and is fun to do, and there is no sense of dread or resistance surrounding it, is it still 'efforting'? A few moments ago, I felt like a cup of tea.....so, I made my way upstairs, fired up the kettle, put a tea bag in a cup, waited, poured the water, and here I now sit, sipping tea. Would any those steps towards the manifestation of my cup of tea fulfill the criteria for 'effort'? |
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