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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 16:09:29 GMT
I will answer it when you admit you don't know anything about anything. Of course if you do that, then the need for me to answer that question will become irrelevant.  Your stance is built upon false premises . Why would I admit that I don't know anything when I know things about things . Your stance in that I can't know anything about anything is a knowing of how the universe works in reflection of yourself . Please answer me if you acknowledge this fact or if you are totally oblivious to it . When my skin burns I know that the source of this burning comes from the sun . When I go into the shade the burning stops . You can call it the sun or the fire in the sky, or the yellow blob thang .. It doesn't matter what is is, what it is made of, or whether it is real or illusory . Your immediate perception of it brings forth a belief about it based upon how you relate to it . Now lets get back to my original question about your beliefs about the yellow blob in the sky . Do you know that the sun burns your skin or do you sit and burn because you don't believe it's hot? That I don't know what I experience 'is', is the truth and not a false premise. The false premise is believing that what you experience is what you 'think' it is.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 16:19:19 GMT
Can you see that what you perceive and think is happening, is only in your head and not Reality? Your going round and round in circles not taking point in what I am saying and what you are saying . What you say is happening is your ideology . You can't know the workings of the universe by your own admission and yet you imply how it is . Are you toadally blind to your own contradiction? What is happening isn't an ideology. Labeling what is happening makes it into an ideology. |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 8, 2017 18:24:39 GMT
Your going round and round in circles not taking point in what I am saying and what you are saying . What you say is happening is your ideology . You can't know the workings of the universe by your own admission and yet you imply how it is . Are you toadally blind to your own contradiction? What is happening isn't an ideology. Labeling what is happening makes it into an ideology. So how are you concluding and conveying what you think is happening . What are you constructing mentally? |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 8, 2017 18:31:13 GMT
Your stance is built upon false premises . Why would I admit that I don't know anything when I know things about things . Your stance in that I can't know anything about anything is a knowing of how the universe works in reflection of yourself . Please answer me if you acknowledge this fact or if you are totally oblivious to it . When my skin burns I know that the source of this burning comes from the sun . When I go into the shade the burning stops . You can call it the sun or the fire in the sky, or the yellow blob thang .. It doesn't matter what is is, what it is made of, or whether it is real or illusory . Your immediate perception of it brings forth a belief about it based upon how you relate to it . Now lets get back to my original question about your beliefs about the yellow blob in the sky . Do you know that the sun burns your skin or do you sit and burn because you don't believe it's hot? That I don't know what I experience 'is', is the truth and not a false premise. The false premise is believing that what you experience is what you 'think' it is. Last chance to answer the question I have asked you about 3 or 4 times now . Do you know that the sun burns your skin or do you sit and burn because you don't believe it's hot? It's a straightforward question . I also said that Your stance in that I can't know anything about anything is a knowing of how the universe works in reflection of yourself . Please answer me if you acknowledge this fact or if you are totally oblivious to it . Now your answer/reply was rife of suggestions made based upon your knowings and beliefs . Please for once answer a straightforward question I put to you . Do you know that you can't know these things either way when you admit you can't know how things work . How can you know when you can't know . It doesn't make sense . Can you shed some light on this . If you wanna morph or dodge or dance around the questions again please don't bother replying . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 22:05:00 GMT
What is happening isn't an ideology. Labeling what is happening makes it into an ideology. So how are you concluding and conveying what you think is happening . What are you constructing mentally? I'm experiencing what is happening not minding what is happening. Seeing, feeling, hearing, and sensing as opposed to experiencing the minds labeling of seeing, feeling, hearing, and sensing. Those labels don't refer to something that actually exists. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 22:10:16 GMT
That I don't know what I experience 'is', is the truth and not a false premise. The false premise is believing that what you experience is what you 'think' it is. Last chance to answer the question I have asked you about 3 or 4 times now . Do you know that the sun burns your skin or do you sit and burn because you don't believe it's hot? It's a straightforward question . I also said that Your stance in that I can't know anything about anything is a knowing of how the universe works in reflection of yourself . Please answer me if you acknowledge this fact or if you are totally oblivious to it . Now your answer/reply was rife of suggestions made based upon your knowings and beliefs . Please for once answer a straightforward question I put to you . Do you know that you can't know these things either way when you admit you can't know how things work . How can you know when you can't know . It doesn't make sense . Can you shed some light on this . If you wanna morph or dodge or dance around the questions again please don't bother replying . You already know enough about everything so why are you asking me? I don't know anything? |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 9, 2017 0:54:18 GMT
Obviously, he differentiating between just a conceptual belief and a realization. How does a realization apply to a conceptual belief . What is a conceptual belief based upon? The realization or not? Taking the sun as an example through direct experience of it one conceptualises what one has realized . Source implies that he/she has no belief system and can't know anything about how the universe works cos that's not how it is . It's not what it is, and yet bold as brass Source has endless info about what is, isn't this or that . And with this info about what isn't he/she doesn't believe what he/she know to be correct as he/she can't know anything or believe anything .. Doesn't add up even when i explain that what we call a rock still falls to the ground regardless of what we call a rock or regardless of why a rock falls . It just does because of how it is in relation to what it is and it's environment . I believe a rock under certain conditions will always fall to the ground when thrown .. For some reason Source can't answer / relate to that actually happening and believing that it happened . I'm not defending Source's not knowing mantra. This too shall pass. But you're using realization differently. Do you think self realization refers to an experiential understanding that becomes a belief? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 3:11:03 GMT
How does a realization apply to a conceptual belief . What is a conceptual belief based upon? The realization or not? Taking the sun as an example through direct experience of it one conceptualises what one has realized . Source implies that he/she has no belief system and can't know anything about how the universe works cos that's not how it is . It's not what it is, and yet bold as brass Source has endless info about what is, isn't this or that . And with this info about what isn't he/she doesn't believe what he/she know to be correct as he/she can't know anything or believe anything .. Doesn't add up even when i explain that what we call a rock still falls to the ground regardless of what we call a rock or regardless of why a rock falls . It just does because of how it is in relation to what it is and it's environment . I believe a rock under certain conditions will always fall to the ground when thrown .. For some reason Source can't answer / relate to that actually happening and believing that it happened . I'm not defending Source's not knowing mantra. This too shall pass. But you're using realization differently. Do you think self realization refers to an experiential understanding that becomes a belief? I think you've identified that perfectly. |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 9, 2017 9:15:11 GMT
So how are you concluding and conveying what you think is happening . What are you constructing mentally? . Seeing, feeling, hearing, and sensing as opposed to experiencing the minds labeling of seeing, feeling, hearing, and sensing. Those labels don't refer to something that actually exists. That is a mindful construct that relates to what is happening within your experience . This is how you suppose your perception / experience of life is . This is something that you said that you can't do . You are doing what you say cannot be done . You still don't answer me if you acknowledge your flaw or if you are oblivious to it . Every post you make explaining things how it is, is not how it is based upon your own theory . Has the penny dropped yet or are you just going to carry on making posts with your beliefs in toe? |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 9, 2017 9:18:19 GMT
Last chance to answer the question I have asked you about 3 or 4 times now . Do you know that the sun burns your skin or do you sit and burn because you don't believe it's hot? It's a straightforward question . I also said that Your stance in that I can't know anything about anything is a knowing of how the universe works in reflection of yourself . Please answer me if you acknowledge this fact or if you are totally oblivious to it . Now your answer/reply was rife of suggestions made based upon your knowings and beliefs . Please for once answer a straightforward question I put to you . Do you know that you can't know these things either way when you admit you can't know how things work . How can you know when you can't know . It doesn't make sense . Can you shed some light on this . If you wanna morph or dodge or dance around the questions again please don't bother replying . You already know enough about everything so why are you asking me? I don't know anything? No worries I won't ask you again .. You saying you don't know anything is saying you know you don't know . You obviously don't know what your talking about . When your skin is burning in the sun you don't know your skin is burning lol . It's a load of krap .. and you know it is, excuse the pun . |
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