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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 22:39:19 GMT
Obviously, he differentiating between just a conceptual belief and a realization. How does a realization apply to a conceptual belief . What is a conceptual belief based upon? The realization or not? Taking the sun as an example through direct experience of it one conceptualises what one has realized . Source implies that he/she has no belief system and can't know anything about how the universe works cos that's not how it is . It's not what it is, and yet bold as brass Source has endless info about what is, isn't this or that . And with this info about what isn't he/she doesn't believe what he/she know to be correct as he/she can't know anything or believe anything .. Doesn't add up even when i explain that what we call a rock still falls to the ground regardless of what we call a rock or regardless of why a rock falls . It just does because of how it is in relation to what it is and it's environment . I believe a rock under certain conditions will always fall to the ground when thrown .. For some reason Source can't answer / relate to that actually happening and believing that it happened . There's a difference between what's really happening and what the mind constructs and interpretes as what is happening. For you a rock and gravity are things which you've been taught to perceive. Your sense perceptions cannot apprehend what they actually are. And so for me the limiting descriptions of rocks and gravity, don't reflect the unknown Reality of unlimited probability. That being said, it doesn't mean I won't duck if I see a rock being thrown at my head.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 22:58:48 GMT
The sun is hot not because you realize it, but because that's how it is. It doesn't matter what you think about it. Your morphing now . Where has there been the mention that anything is the way it is cos you realize it is that way . You realize the sun is hot then you believe it is hot . You have been suggesting using my example that you don't entertain a belief system that relates to the sun being hot because you have realized it's hot . You cannot say the sun is hot without believing it is when you have realized it is . Do you sit butt naked in the sun for 8 hours realizing the sun is hot, butt don't cover up or put suncream on cos you don't believe it's hot . Like said your understanding doesn't add up . When you look out into the night sky you see billions of stars. According to your logic, you've realized that they are all hot and so you believe they are all hot. But in fact many of those stars that you are perceiving no longer exist and burned out millions of years ago. It has just taken this long for the light to reach your eyes. So you are only believing what you are 'seeing' and not believing what has been realized. |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 7, 2017 6:46:19 GMT
How does a realization apply to a conceptual belief . What is a conceptual belief based upon? The realization or not? Taking the sun as an example through direct experience of it one conceptualises what one has realized . Source implies that he/she has no belief system and can't know anything about how the universe works cos that's not how it is . It's not what it is, and yet bold as brass Source has endless info about what is, isn't this or that . And with this info about what isn't he/she doesn't believe what he/she know to be correct as he/she can't know anything or believe anything .. Doesn't add up even when i explain that what we call a rock still falls to the ground regardless of what we call a rock or regardless of why a rock falls . It just does because of how it is in relation to what it is and it's environment . I believe a rock under certain conditions will always fall to the ground when thrown .. For some reason Source can't answer / relate to that actually happening and believing that it happened . There's a difference between what's really happening and what the mind constructs and interpretes as what is happening. For you a rock and gravity are things which you've been taught to perceive. Your sense perceptions cannot apprehend what they actually are. And so for me the limiting descriptions of rocks and gravity, don't reflect the unknown Reality of unlimited probability. That being said, it doesn't mean I won't duck if I see a rock being thrown at my head. It doesn't matter how the mind relates and constructs theories of what is happening . The chair maybe perceived as solid, it may however not be solid . If you thought the chair was illusory and not solid you wouldn't try and sit on it . You believe in what you have realized . You may have sat in a chair for the first time and you then believe it can hold your body weight . You may discover / realize that there is empty space between each atom at a later date, butt you still believe that it will hold your body weight . What you have been saying is that you have no belief system in reflection of what you do know through perceiving . You have again illustrated that what you know in regards to what is happening through mental constructs is not what is actually happening . You say you can't know how the universe works etc, and yet you do believe in your own ideologies . Based upon your theory what you say is not what is actually happening, it's just your mental construct / evaluation of what is . You keep shooting yourself in the foot each time you tell me how it really is when by your own admission you can't know how it really is . Can you see that? |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 7, 2017 6:57:15 GMT
Your morphing now . Where has there been the mention that anything is the way it is cos you realize it is that way . You realize the sun is hot then you believe it is hot . You have been suggesting using my example that you don't entertain a belief system that relates to the sun being hot because you have realized it's hot . You cannot say the sun is hot without believing it is when you have realized it is . Do you sit butt naked in the sun for 8 hours realizing the sun is hot, butt don't cover up or put suncream on cos you don't believe it's hot .Like said your understanding doesn't add up . When you look out into the night sky you see billions of stars. According to your logic, you've realized that they are all hot and so you believe they are all hot. But in fact many of those stars that you are perceiving no longer exist and burned out millions of years ago. It has just taken this long for the light to reach your eyes. So you are only believing what you are 'seeing' and not believing what has been realized. Your morphing again .  Lets stick with what one has realized in regards to the sun . Please answer the question . Do you sit butt naked in the sun for 8 hours realizing the sun is hot, butt don't cover up or put suncream on cos you don't believe it's hot .If you wanna now start to talk about realizing the stars have burned out then that is another matter, butt you will at a point like I keep saying believe in what you have realized . You will realize at some point the stars have burn't out and you will believe that has happened . When you perceive the bus heading your way you believe the bus is heading your way . What's difficult about that? Why can't you bring yourself to entertain a belief system that we all know you have . You exercise a belief system every time you engage mind with doing something or other . Perhaps you can talk me through a normal day that you have .. lets start with logging onto the forums, You do believe there is a forums in existence right? Otherwise you wouldn't try and login . When you go to sleep you believe that you have a bed right? Brush your teeth? Drink tea? The list is endless innit . I don't believe for a minute you don't believe what you are perceiving when engaging in such activities . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 17:37:22 GMT
There's a difference between what's really happening and what the mind constructs and interpretes as what is happening. For you a rock and gravity are things which you've been taught to perceive. Your sense perceptions cannot apprehend what they actually are. And so for me the limiting descriptions of rocks and gravity, don't reflect the unknown Reality of unlimited probability. That being said, it doesn't mean I won't duck if I see a rock being thrown at my head. It doesn't matter how the mind relates and constructs theories of what is happening . The chair maybe perceived as solid, it may however not be solid . If you thought the chair was illusory and not solid you wouldn't try and sit on it . You believe in what you have realized . You may have sat in a chair for the first time and you then believe it can hold your body weight . You may discover / realize that there is empty space between each atom at a later date, butt you still believe that it will hold your body weight . What you have been saying is that you have no belief system in reflection of what you do know through perceiving . You have again illustrated that what you know in regards to what is happening through mental constructs is not what is actually happening . You say you can't know how the universe works etc, and yet you do believe in your own ideologies . Based upon your theory what you say is not what is actually happening, it's just your mental construct / evaluation of what is . You keep shooting yourself in the foot each time you tell me how it really is when by your own admission you can't know how it really is . Can you see that? Can you see that what you perceive and think is happening, is only in your head and not Reality?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 17:55:24 GMT
When you look out into the night sky you see billions of stars. According to your logic, you've realized that they are all hot and so you believe they are all hot. But in fact many of those stars that you are perceiving no longer exist and burned out millions of years ago. It has just taken this long for the light to reach your eyes. So you are only believing what you are 'seeing' and not believing what has been realized. Your morphing again . Lets stick with what one has realized in regards to the sun . Please answer the question . Do you sit butt naked in the sun for 8 hours realizing the sun is hot, butt don't cover up or put suncream on cos you don't believe it's hot .If you wanna now start to talk about realizing the stars have burned out then that is another matter, butt you will at a point like I keep saying believe in what you have realized . You will realize at some point the stars have burn't out and you will believe that has happened . When you perceive the bus heading your way you believe the bus is heading your way . What's difficult about that? Why can't you bring yourself to entertain a belief system that we all know you have . You exercise a belief system every time you engage mind with doing something or other . Perhaps you can talk me through a normal day that you have .. lets start with logging onto the forums, You do believe there is a forums in existence right? Otherwise you wouldn't try and login . When you go to sleep you believe that you have a bed right? Brush your teeth? Drink tea? The list is endless innit . I don't believe for a minute you don't believe what you are perceiving when engaging in such activities . It seems that a great deal of pressure will have to be applied, before you will admit that you don't know anything about anything, let alone what you call realizations about the sun. |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 7, 2017 18:53:16 GMT
It doesn't matter how the mind relates and constructs theories of what is happening . The chair maybe perceived as solid, it may however not be solid . If you thought the chair was illusory and not solid you wouldn't try and sit on it . You believe in what you have realized . You may have sat in a chair for the first time and you then believe it can hold your body weight . You may discover / realize that there is empty space between each atom at a later date, butt you still believe that it will hold your body weight . What you have been saying is that you have no belief system in reflection of what you do know through perceiving . You have again illustrated that what you know in regards to what is happening through mental constructs is not what is actually happening . You say you can't know how the universe works etc, and yet you do believe in your own ideologies . Based upon your theory what you say is not what is actually happening, it's just your mental construct / evaluation of what is . You keep shooting yourself in the foot each time you tell me how it really is when by your own admission you can't know how it really is . Can you see that? Can you see that what you perceive and think is happening, is only in your head and not Reality? Your going round and round in circles not taking point in what I am saying and what you are saying . What you say is happening is your ideology . You can't know the workings of the universe by your own admission and yet you imply how it is . Are you toadally blind to your own contradiction? |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 7, 2017 18:54:06 GMT
Your morphing again . Lets stick with what one has realized in regards to the sun . Please answer the question . Do you sit butt naked in the sun for 8 hours realizing the sun is hot, butt don't cover up or put suncream on cos you don't believe it's hot .If you wanna now start to talk about realizing the stars have burned out then that is another matter, butt you will at a point like I keep saying believe in what you have realized . You will realize at some point the stars have burn't out and you will believe that has happened . When you perceive the bus heading your way you believe the bus is heading your way . What's difficult about that? Why can't you bring yourself to entertain a belief system that we all know you have . You exercise a belief system every time you engage mind with doing something or other . Perhaps you can talk me through a normal day that you have .. lets start with logging onto the forums, You do believe there is a forums in existence right? Otherwise you wouldn't try and login . When you go to sleep you believe that you have a bed right? Brush your teeth? Drink tea? The list is endless innit . I don't believe for a minute you don't believe what you are perceiving when engaging in such activities . It seems that a great deal of pressure will have to be applied, before you will admit that you don't know anything about anything, let alone what you call realizations about the sun. Please answer the question . Do you sit butt naked in the sun for 8 hours realizing the sun is hot, butt don't cover up or put suncream on cos you don't believe it's hot . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 21:04:13 GMT
It seems that a great deal of pressure will have to be applied, before you will admit that you don't know anything about anything, let alone what you call realizations about the sun. Please answer the question . Do you sit butt naked in the sun for 8 hours realizing the sun is hot, butt don't cover up or put suncream on cos you don't believe it's hot . I will answer it when you admit you don't know anything about anything. Of course if you do that, then the need for me to answer that question will become irrelevant. |
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Post by Tenka on Jul 8, 2017 9:24:17 GMT
Please answer the question . Do you sit butt naked in the sun for 8 hours realizing the sun is hot, butt don't cover up or put suncream on cos you don't believe it's hot . I will answer it when you admit you don't know anything about anything. Of course if you do that, then the need for me to answer that question will become irrelevant. Your stance is built upon false premises . Why would I admit that I don't know anything when I know things about things . Your stance in that I can't know anything about anything is a knowing of how the universe works in reflection of yourself . Please answer me if you acknowledge this fact or if you are totally oblivious to it . When my skin burns I know that the source of this burning comes from the sun . When I go into the shade the burning stops . You can call it the sun or the fire in the sky, or the yellow blob thang .. It doesn't matter what is is, what it is made of, or whether it is real or illusory . Your immediate perception of it brings forth a belief about it based upon how you relate to it . Now lets get back to my original question about your beliefs about the yellow blob in the sky . Do you know that the sun burns your skin or do you sit and burn because you don't believe it's hot? |
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