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Post by Figgles on Mar 30, 2020 22:33:50 GMT
That's an oxymoron. Absent a person who cares deeply about manifesting stuff he desires, there'd be no Law of Attraction teachings.
The LOA context is an 'in the dream' context.
The transcendent/impersonal view (realization) reveals that the person and his personal desires are but empty appearances, arising ephemerally within/to that which abides...that nothing the person does actually causes or catalyses other stuff appearing in the dream...that causation itself, is but an ephemeral appearance.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 31, 2020 18:25:29 GMT
The very idea that present focus 'attracts' a particular, manifest, future circumstance, is entirely an 'in the dream' idea. Present focus attracting future circumstance is an experience and no experience is Truthy.
The idea of 'attraction' is really the same idea as 'causation,'....both are dependent upon the illusion of separation... cause/effect...time.
The impersonal/transcendent view reveals those ideas (if taken to be something more than mere ideas) to be akin the the water in a mirage.
LOA posits the idea that the person can control his focus, thereby 'attracting' more desirable conditions into his experience. But the transcendent view reveals the person and any control he might seem to exert, to be 'appearance only.'
That doesn't mean that from the vantage point of the person, there cannot be the experience of consciously focusing away from limitation and thereby 'attracting' experiential content that mirrors that, but again, that's the 'in the dream' view of things only. From beyond, all of that collapses into a pile of empty ideas.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 31, 2020 18:36:21 GMT
So.....focus does not cause/create feelings, but focus causes/creates circumstance, which causes/creates specific feelings? If focus is being designated as creating/attracting/causal, then surely arising feelings are part and parcel of that which is attracted by that focus...?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 14:10:02 GMT
So.....focus does not cause/create feelings, but focus causes/creates circumstance, which causes/creates specific feelings? If focus is being designated as creating/attracting/causal, then surely arising feelings are part and parcel of that which is attracted by that focus...? Events are actually orchestrated to create a certain feeling in you. That's true. But it wouldn't attract the event, goal is feelings, events are orchestrated to create that feelings.
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Post by Figgles on Apr 1, 2020 17:07:01 GMT
So.....focus does not cause/create feelings, but focus causes/creates circumstance, which causes/creates specific feelings? If focus is being designated as creating/attracting/causal, then surely arising feelings are part and parcel of that which is attracted by that focus...? Events are actually orchestrated to create a certain feeling in you. That's true. But it wouldn't attract the event, goal is feelings, events are orchestrated to create that feelings. Okay. So here, you are very clearly denoting that you believe in an 'orchestration' behind creation/manifestation that has 'intent' behind it. " Orchestrated to create a certain feeling in you.... goal is feeling" It's only persons who have intents and goals. Intents and goals hinge upon personal values....upon the presence of personal likes/dislikes. Thus, if you are ascribing intents and goals to God, you obviously believe in a 'personal God' who values certain things over other...a God who likes this but does not like that....a God who wants/intends things to go this way and not that way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 18:48:36 GMT
Events are actually orchestrated to create a certain feeling in you. That's true. But it wouldn't attract the event, goal is feelings, events are orchestrated to create that feelings. Okay. So here, you are very clearly denoting that you believe in an 'orchestration' behind creation/manifestation that has 'intent' behind it. " Orchestrated to create a certain feeling in you.... goal is feeling" It's only persons who have intents and goals. Intents and goals hinge upon personal values....upon the presence of personal likes/dislikes. Thus, if you are ascribing intents and goals to God, you obviously believe in a 'personal God' who values certain things over other...a God who likes this but does not like that....a God who wants/intends things to go this way and not that way. No, I am talking about rollercoaster, both sides are being orchestrated.
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Post by Figgles on Apr 1, 2020 20:00:18 GMT
Okay. So here, you are very clearly denoting that you believe in an 'orchestration' behind creation/manifestation that has 'intent' behind it. " Orchestrated to create a certain feeling in you.... goal is feeling" It's only persons who have intents and goals. Intents and goals hinge upon personal values....upon the presence of personal likes/dislikes. Thus, if you are ascribing intents and goals to God, you obviously believe in a 'personal God' who values certain things over other...a God who likes this but does not like that....a God who wants/intends things to go this way and not that way. No, I am talking about rollercoaster, both sides are being orchestrated. Which implies an 'orchestrator' with specific goals/intents. There is no such thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 3:57:49 GMT
No, I am talking about rollercoaster, both sides are being orchestrated. Which implies an 'orchestrator' with specific goals/intents. There is no such thing. life moves between happy and unhappy, and universe is writing the story to move for happy and unhappy or events are orchestrated to bring happy and unhappy.
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Post by Enigma on Apr 2, 2020 4:21:30 GMT
Which implies an 'orchestrator' with specific goals/intents. There is no such thing. life moves between happy and unhappy, and universe is writing the story to move for happy and unhappy. You're stubbornly avoiding the intent issue. Whether you say 'the universe is writing a story' or 'events are orchestrated', there is still intent. We're asking who's intention you are referring to. Would you please address that directly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 4:23:12 GMT
life moves between happy and unhappy, and universe is writing the story to move for happy and unhappy. You're stubbornly avoiding the intent issue. Whether you say 'the universe is writing a story' or 'events are orchestrated', there is still intent. We're asking who's intention you are referring to. Would you please address that directly. When Life moves from happy to unhappy, story changes it's direction. Story is what makes you happy or unhappy, what else? I am not intending to be happy or unhappy but happy and unhappy happens.
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