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Post by Figgles on Dec 29, 2017 4:04:17 GMT
Ah...so the dark 'lil room behind the altar, was still 'heavenly' due to the God talk going on in it, (and the crucifix that hangs on the wall, of course) and never mind the pesky molestation, 'cause it's just a result of over abundant hormones?  Molestation/rape occurs everywhere even in ashrams of gurus teaching impersonalism/non-dual philosophies. Anywhere and everywhere wherever there`s man and woman around. Spiritual gurus are not immune to sex, mentally or physically. Blessed Saint John Paul II definition of hell has nothing to do with sex. (You mean, child abuse/rape?) He defined hell when people no longer remember to chant/teach/preach the most holy names of God.Yes, and I find that warped. This seems like a passive-aggressive, beating around the bush sort of way of saying you take issue with non-duality teachings. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 29, 2017 6:35:16 GMT
Molestation/rape occurs everywhere even in ashrams of gurus teaching impersonalism/non-dual philosophies. Anywhere and everywhere wherever there`s man and woman around. Spiritual gurus are not immune to sex, mentally or physically. Blessed Saint John Paul II definition of hell has nothing to do with sex. (You mean, child abuse/rape?) He defined hell when people no longer remember to chant/teach/preach the most holy names of God.Yes, and I find that warped. This seems like a passive-aggressive, beating around the bush sort of way of saying you take issue with non-duality teachings. When Blessed Saint John Paul II defined hell as people who have forgotten to pray to God, chant God`s holy names, preached the Good News. Saint John Paul II did not refer them to child abuse/rape. He must have in mind people who embrace the philosophy of non-duality. Which is akin to atheism. Atheism and non-dualism do not believe in God having a form/personality. Non-dualists believe in nothing as the truth. While devotees believe in Christ, Krishna who are truths. Let us not mull the issue when you insert child abuse/rape. The latter are crimes born from individual who perpetuate them due to mental illness. |
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Post by Andrew on Dec 29, 2017 12:07:24 GMT
Ah, I don't know.... Likely all sorts of holy talk & names of God going on in the dark little room behind the Altar after Catholic mass, where the Priest abused his alter boy, and I'll bet plenty of those victims figured that was a pretty 'hell'ish' place. Las Vegas Casinos are examples of places in hell. Schools without crucifixes inside classrooms, where God`s name is not invoked by students are places in hell. Regarding the priest molesting an altar boy is caused by testosterone hormone. Do you know the word horn was derived from the word hormone. Too mush of sexual hormones cause one to grow horns err horny? Where there is a relationship of power, there will be sexual abuse. The priest and parishioner is a power dynamic, but even the business model of 'boss and employee' is a power dynamic, and sexual abuse happens in the workplace in subtle and not so subtle ways all the time. The problem isn't hormones, the problem is that we create power dynamics, and this is a reflection of our collective philosophical and spiritual beliefs. |
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Post by Figgles on Dec 29, 2017 16:49:50 GMT
Yes, and I find that warped. This seems like a passive-aggressive, beating around the bush sort of way of saying you take issue with non-duality teachings. When Blessed Saint John Paul II defined hell as people who have forgotten to pray to God, chant God`s holy names, preached the Good News. Saint John Paul II did not refer them to child abuse/rape. He must have in mind people who embrace the philosophy of non-duality. Which is akin to atheism. Atheism and non-dualism do not believe in God having a form/personality. Non-dualists believe in nothing as the truth. While devotees believe in Christ, Krishna who are truths. Let us not mull the issue when you insert child abuse/rape. The latter are crimes born from individual who perpetuate them due to mental illness. How about you stop hiding behind John Paul's robe, and come right out and express "Your" views? Here, I'll express mine: All Organized religion is a farce. Those who buy into fairy tales about Christ, Krishna, Saint this, or Lord that, are deeply deluded.  (& Look, I didn't have to invoke the word of John Paul, Niz, Tolle, or Christ) |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 29, 2017 17:02:45 GMT
When Blessed Saint John Paul II defined hell as people who have forgotten to pray to God, chant God`s holy names, preached the Good News. Saint John Paul II did not refer them to child abuse/rape. He must have in mind people who embrace the philosophy of non-duality. Which is akin to atheism. Atheism and non-dualism do not believe in God having a form/personality. Non-dualists believe in nothing as the truth. While devotees believe in Christ, Krishna who are truths. Let us not mull the issue when you insert child abuse/rape. The latter are crimes born from individual who perpetuate them due to mental illness. How about you stop hiding behind John Paul's robe, and come right out and express "Your" views? Here, I'll express mine: All Organized religion is a farce. Those who buy into fairy tales about Christ, Krishna, Saint this, or Lord that, are deeply deluded. (& Look, I didn't have to invoke the word of John Paul, Niz, Tolle, or Christ) You are sour graping. You wanted to be a nun but did not pass the celibacy test. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 17:09:48 GMT
When Blessed Saint John Paul II defined hell as people who have forgotten to pray to God, chant God`s holy names, preached the Good News. Saint John Paul II did not refer them to child abuse/rape. He must have in mind people who embrace the philosophy of non-duality. Which is akin to atheism. Atheism and non-dualism do not believe in God having a form/personality. Non-dualists believe in nothing as the truth. While devotees believe in Christ, Krishna who are truths. Let us not mull the issue when you insert child abuse/rape. The latter are crimes born from individual who perpetuate them due to mental illness. How about you stop hiding behind John Paul's robe, and come right out and express "Your" views? Here, I'll express mine: All Organized religion is a farce. Those who buy into fairy tales about Christ, Krishna, Saint this, or Lord that, are deeply deluded. (& Look, I didn't have to invoke the word of John Paul, Niz, Tolle, or Christ) Questioner: "Would Maharaj talk about the grace of the guru?" Maharaj: "It is the intensity you have in the guru's words that is most important; Once that is there, the grace flows automatically. The faith in the guru is based on the consciousness within, faith in one's Self. The love for the beingness I am trying to direct to a higher level. What is lasting is this love for the Self, on which temples have been build. This Christ-consciousness is existing; is it faith in a man? As a man, Christ was crucified, but that universal consciousness that was his lives today." (Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj - Prior to Consciousness) |
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Post by Silver on Dec 29, 2017 17:55:07 GMT
How about you stop hiding behind John Paul's robe, and come right out and express "Your" views? Here, I'll express mine: All Organized religion is a farce. Those who buy into fairy tales about Christ, Krishna, Saint this, or Lord that, are deeply deluded. (& Look, I didn't have to invoke the word of John Paul, Niz, Tolle, or Christ) You are sour graping. You wanted to be a nun but did not pass the celibacy test. |
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Post by Silver on Dec 29, 2017 17:59:10 GMT
Those are some good observations, k but can you explain a little further what you meant when you said, " In one of his videos/discussion, Jed starts with the Gita. Well, that`s all I need to know about the whole thing he`s talking"? Jad Mckenna started talking about the Gita at 6:03-7:37 in this video. Thereafter, I lost interest in what he was saying. He has no devotion for God Krishna. I lost interest immediately. It's the voice - annoying, LoL. |
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Post by Figgles on Dec 29, 2017 23:49:10 GMT
How about you stop hiding behind John Paul's robe, and come right out and express "Your" views? Here, I'll express mine: All Organized religion is a farce. Those who buy into fairy tales about Christ, Krishna, Saint this, or Lord that, are deeply deluded. (& Look, I didn't have to invoke the word of John Paul, Niz, Tolle, or Christ) You are sour graping. You wanted to be a nun but did not pass the celibacy test. Lol...yup, such a tragedy!  |
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