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Post by Figgles on Mar 10, 2018 5:46:25 GMT
Good pointers, All. It just one day dawned on this end that the one who experiences samadhi, the one who experiences higher states of con- sciousness, has to go, has to be transcended, eliminated. Going back the way I came made me realize I came into this experience open-hearted and empty. Awake. I have always been awake. And aware.  So that means you might be a rock.   |
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Post by Enigma on Mar 10, 2018 15:41:05 GMT
So that means you might be a rock. I don't know. Not knowing is good. Keep on rollin.  |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 10, 2018 16:49:55 GMT
For one, ZD did not suggest that E needed to be nose grabbed or yelled at. That's disingenuous of you to suggest it. But really, the ZM in the story is pointing the student towards seeing that the appearing/disappearing birds arise to/within what he is...and that is always present, always here, now....that there is actually no 'away,' that is a contrivance of mind. & To look/see that clearly is to see that individual appearances have no independent existence, beyond the presence of being...they arise dependently (to/within) Being...it is precisely that seeing that leads to the seeing of the inherent emptiness of all appearances...the seeing that you don't know all sorts of stuff that you previously thought you did. And I find it interesting that the highlight of ZD's take-away from that story seems to be that the student had a big ol CC experience, when really that's not the important bit at all.... The important part is that the student came away having 'lost' the belief (having seen through the idea) of birds existing as separate entities....apart/away from Being...apart from presence. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4965/consciousness-nature-appearances?page=29#ixzz59MekM4OG |
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Post by Enigma on Mar 11, 2018 4:21:40 GMT
Not knowing is good. Keep on rollin. Yeah, but good implies an opposite, too. They're both impostors. Back to silence. Why, because it's neither good nor bad?  |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2018 6:49:20 GMT
Those 'wants' have to be seen for what they are, misguided interest, fueled by delusion/misconception. There is no 'big picture' that can be grasped/known with the inquiring mind....no big pic that sews it all up, that can be grasped by 'curious people'. It's the 'people' part of that equation that has to be seen through...and when that happens, the very idea of people's existential queries getting answered in mind-satisfying ways, will also fall away. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4965/consciousness-nature-appearances?page=35#ixzz59Q61JN5G[/quote] |
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Post by Enigma on Mar 11, 2018 7:17:40 GMT
Those 'wants' have to be seen for what they are, misguided interest, fueled by delusion/misconception. There is no 'big picture' that can be grasped/known with the inquiring mind....no big pic that sews it all up, that can be grasped by 'curious people'. It's the 'people' part of that equation that has to be seen through...and when that happens, the very idea of people's existential queries getting answered in mind-satisfying ways, will also fall away. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4965/consciousness-nature-appearances?page=35#ixzz59Q61JN5GI haven't said it out loud before, mostly because I'm unqualified to talk about woo-woo mind states, but my most favorable view is that CC is a mind state expression of realization that for whatever reason is not happening directly and is put into mind's framework for expression. Fine so far, but it lends itself to interpretation, like for example experiencing a transcendent aliveness and then taking that literally and concluding all physical stuff is alive. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2018 7:31:50 GMT
I haven't said it out loud before, mostly because I'm unqualified to talk about woo-woo mind states, but my most favorable view is that CC is a mind state expression of realization that for whatever reason is not happening directly and is put into mind's framework for expression. Fine so far, but it lends itself to interpretation, like for example experiencing a transcendent aliveness and then taking that literally and concluding all physical stuff is alive. Yeah, I totally agree, you've described that very well, "interpretation" is precisely what we're seeing with this whole "A CC experience told me that the appearing person is experiencing," crap. .... and I said, I have had all sorts of woo-woo mind state, CC mind blowing experiences. That said, I don't think one has to have had a mind blowing CC experience, or any CC experience at all to clearly see that a very special experience that occurs in tandem with a realization, is very likely to result in a muddying of that realization, due to the very natural tendency of cling to special experiences and their content...interpretations included. When that Buddha pops up in the middle of road in a moment that would be otherwise be absent ideation, beat that f-er to a pulp. (jk-ing...exagerrating, but you get my drift....  ) |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2018 7:52:06 GMT
If there's an experiential aspect to it that can be talked about after, described, you can bet your sweet patootie there is.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2018 7:56:12 GMT
 YOU are the one who used his CC experience of undefinable, indescribable 'aliveness' to refute the assertion that it can't be known whether the appearing person is experiencing or not. Who licked the pointer?
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2018 8:01:02 GMT
Holy F*ck dude...you are insane. You create a no giraffe rule, then label any assertion that challenges what you believe to be a giraffe. Can you say 'dictatorship', folks...?  |
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