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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 12:09:00 GMT
What would you say is honour? What's your definition? To realize we are part of everything we see, and act accordingly. Interesting definition. To me honour has a lot to do with justice. One is honorable if one is just. "Punishment is for the sake of amendment and atonement....This is why justice requires that the wicked shall not go unpunished - that they, through the eye-opening power of pain, may come to see and do justice, may be brought to desire and make all possible amends and so become just." (and honorable again)
- George McDonald, "Justice"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 12:48:01 GMT
To realize we are part of everything we see, and act accordingly. Interesting definition. To me honour has a lot to do with justice. One is honorable if one is just. "Punishment is for the sake of amendment and atonement....This is why justice requires that the wicked shall not go unpunished - that they, through the eye-opening power of pain, may come to see and do justice, may be brought to desire and make all possible amends and so become just." (and honorable again)
- George McDonald, "Justice" I'm not certain the death penalty deters crime, or is an expression of amendment and atonement. There's no opportunity to become just. It may even find it's origins in religious conditioning, which I suspect is a factor in most of the pain and suffering in the world. Or the conditioning within the education systems, under the watchful eye of the corporate masters. The collective hypnosis is powerful.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 13:14:09 GMT
Interesting definition. To me honour has a lot to do with justice. One is honorable if one is just. "Punishment is for the sake of amendment and atonement....This is why justice requires that the wicked shall not go unpunished - that they, through the eye-opening power of pain, may come to see and do justice, may be brought to desire and make all possible amends and so become just." (and honorable again)
- George McDonald, "Justice" I'm not certain the death penalty deters crime, or is an expression of amendment and atonement. There's no opportunity to become just. It may even find it's origins in religious conditioning, which I suspect is a factor in most of the pain and suffering in the world. Or the conditioning within the education systems, under the watchful eye of the corporate masters. The collective hypnosis is powerful. I'm not a fan of the death penalty anyway. I think it's better to keep them alive so they can learn what was wrongly done and to feel the pain they caused by what they did. And yes, I get your point. The wicked might not be able to become just and honorable again. Maybe that is the definition of wickedness, that it can't become just and honorable again anytime soon, because of what has been done by them, the wicked. Wickedness, for me, means there was purpose and some kind of gain and enjoyment involved in doing the wicked act. I'm not sure if religious conditioning is responsible for most pain and suffering in the world. I think it is a by-product of suffering already. Religious conditioning is more like a band-aid been put on a missing limp. I think religion is an invention after the fact, after suffering was already here. Although I also think that religion has some true real points to make and some stuff isn't just another "collective hypnosis" but a true pointer, reminder and even a healing means.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 13:31:00 GMT
I'm not certain the death penalty deters crime, or is an expression of amendment and atonement. There's no opportunity to become just. It may even find it's origins in religious conditioning, which I suspect is a factor in most of the pain and suffering in the world. Or the conditioning within the education systems, under the watchful eye of the corporate masters. The collective hypnosis is powerful. I'm not a fan of the death penalty anyway. I think it's better to keep them alive so they can learn what was wrongly done and to feel the pain they caused by what they did. And yes, I get your point. The wicked might not be able to become just and honorable again. Maybe that is the definition of wickedness, that it can't become just and honorable again anytime soon, because of what has been done by them, the wicked. Wickedness, for me, means there was purpose and some kind of gain and enjoyment involved in doing the wicked act. I'm not sure if religious conditioning is responsible for most pain and suffering in the world. I think it is a by-product of suffering already. Religious conditioning is more like a band-aid been put on a missing limp. I think religion is an invention after the fact, after suffering was already here. Although I also think that religion has some true real points to make and some stuff isn't just another "collective hypnosis" but a true pointer, reminder and even a healing means. Good points all. But, I do wonder if there will ever be a female Pope, or Imam. Or a woman holding the office of President of the United States..... Gonna live in the moment like a child for awhile... Have a fun day.
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Post by Enigma on Dec 15, 2017 19:38:29 GMT
On the other hand...although I haven't read anything over there lately on the ST-forum, I find this thread interesting in which Laughter asks "what does God mean to you?" spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/5011/god-meanAnd in it he links to a thread in which he tells what it means to him: "...In those moments when I stood in awe at the night sky or in contemplation at the billions of years that have shaped our world I wasn't taking God for granted. In those moments my mind was silent, my heart was unburdened, and it didn't matter what my thoughts or feelings about God were, no matter how beknigted or rebellious. The old religions also give us reverence and prayer. While the focal point of this devotion is sometimes distorted and hijacked for the purposes of people who would seek to gain from control of that focus, the offer to worship is another shadow of the existential truth. In that silent awe one can become on notice of what the old scriptures mean by God's love. Looking out at the apparent desolation of most of our solar system in contrast to the blue and white riot of Earth's sky as seen from above, one can get a visceral sense for what is meant by that love. How lucky are we to have formed from the atoms that just happened to have found themselves a part of this blessed sphere? Is the fact of this moment by accident, or by design? We all carry God within us and each has the privilege of considering this existential question, which might be framed as, what is our relationship to God? If we use our intellects gently but doggedly, and with respect for what is seen, the mind can notice how interconnected we all are and everything is. If we open our hearts and suspend our passions we might come to feel that interconnectedness, and become present to God's love, as God is always calling to us, in every instant. If we listen to this call we might come to realize something quite profound about our point of unique perspective. The absence of separation of that perspective from what it's on can be realized. The nature of the appearances of the limitations that make up that sensory experience can be known for what they are. After that, God's mystery begins to take on a whole other hue." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4964/which-more-important-body-mind?page=24#ixzz507B71NRjAnd yes, God is everywhere and in every thing if one is what some teacher calls being "integrated". And for me, right now, being "integrated" means that God is showing me on almost every turn and every move I make that I missed the purpose of my life. And there is nothing I can do about it. And it feels not just utterly bad, it is the worst experience one can possibly have in life. I now realize that I've been totally selfish my whole life. I violated the rules of the tribe I belong to. In other words, I have no children and therefore the realm of my anchesters reject me. God basically tells me, "you give love a bad name". Now I understand the biblical phrase, "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." I'm done and I can't even end my life because I'm too much of a coward to do that and on the other hand I don't want my mother and the rest of my family to suffer because I committed suicide. So yes, there is God. God is loving, caring, tender and funny and I'm rejected by that God. How do I know that this is the case? Maybe it's just the dark night of the soul? No, I'm a disappointment for God. And I'm too old to undo it. It's not that I have done something utterly nasty, mean or ugly in particular to other people, like stealing from them or harming them on purpose. I haven't done anything like that. I just messed around in so called spirituality and didn't care enough for others, my family, my friends and for nature. I was supposed to be a tender and loving mother and wife. Doing my job, enjoying family-life in the humble community I'm a part of. That would have been IT for me. I missed it. My whole life I was seeking and now I found it. And it feels terrible. For 33 years of my life I thought I would have my own children. In that 33rd year it turned out that I would raise children that weren't mine 'by blood'. It was a big surprise for me. I don't regret not having children of my own at all. The way I see it, it's actually kinda selfish having children in this day and age. Given the nature of the world, would I be comfortable right now bringing children into it? No! However, there are many children already alive that need love. In similar vein, I find it weird that people would go and buy a new dog or cat, rather than just take on a rescue dog and cat. Why do we keep inviting beings into the world when we don't even do a good job with the ones that are already here?! Have you considered a different kind of role that would enable you to actively love children? I don't know...like fostering or something? (For the record, I don't believe you have missed your purpose, but I do believe that you are experiencing a sense of having missed your purpose). Because the ones that are already here are broken. We want shiny new ones.
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Post by Enigma on Dec 15, 2017 20:58:43 GMT
Again, what I'm witnessing is that you fought with peeps until you got banned and can no longer fight with them. Don't turn that into some sort of proof that your clarity removes certain peeps from your experience. So you suffer with some people and you decide to move away from certain people, does that resolve your problem? I've been in many bad intimate relationships, and yes, that's what I did and it worked wonderfully. Having said that, Marie and I clearly met because we were ready.
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 16, 2017 1:30:06 GMT
To realize we are part of everything we see, and act accordingly. Interesting definition. To me honour has a lot to do with justice. One is honorable if one is just. "Punishment is for the sake of amendment and atonement....This is why justice requires that the wicked shall not go unpunished - that they, through the eye-opening power of pain, may come to see and do justice, may be brought to desire and make all possible amends and so become just." (and honorable again)
- George McDonald, "Justice" A devotee of Krsna does not care for public opinion of himself because all he does is glorify the glories and pastimes of Krsna. Honour and justice are not his cups of tea. It`s devotional service ( Bhakti-yoga ). By doing that, everything follows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 10:49:44 GMT
Interesting definition. To me honour has a lot to do with justice. One is honorable if one is just. "Punishment is for the sake of amendment and atonement....This is why justice requires that the wicked shall not go unpunished - that they, through the eye-opening power of pain, may come to see and do justice, may be brought to desire and make all possible amends and so become just." (and honorable again)
- George McDonald, "Justice" A devotee of Krsna does not care for public opinion of himself because all he does is glorify the glories and pastimes of Krsna. Honour and justice are not his cups of tea. It`s devotional service ( Bhakti-yoga ). By doing that, everything follows.Keep up the good work, Krsnaraja. Here one part of the cartoon Krishna movies I enjoyed watching a while ago. I think it's wonderfull and interesting content not just for kids. Little Krishna - Wondrous Feats - English:
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 16, 2017 14:03:45 GMT
A devotee of Krsna does not care for public opinion of himself because all he does is glorify the glories and pastimes of Krsna. Honour and justice are not his cups of tea. It`s devotional service ( Bhakti-yoga ). By doing that, everything follows.Keep up the good work, Krsnaraja. Here one part of the cartoon Krishna movies I enjoyed watching a while ago. I think it's wonderfull and interesting content not just for kids. Little Krishna - Wondrous Feats - English: Oh, Anja, my dear Anja. You know how much you mean to Me. You are one in a million, You.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 15:24:14 GMT
Keep up the good work, Krsnaraja. Here one part of the cartoon Krishna movies I enjoyed watching a while ago. I think it's wonderfull and interesting content not just for kids. Little Krishna - Wondrous Feats - English: Oh, Anja, my dear Anja. You know how much you mean to Me. You are one in a million, You. Oh Krshnaraja, friend of mine, you are so kind. You remind me to be a devotee. Having God in the heart and nothing else matters. Thank you, You.
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