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Post by Figgles on Jan 2, 2023 0:07:50 GMT
The idea that life is a sort of "test" and that in getting cancer, Ramana failed it, has it's seat in a very specific personal perspective....one where mind cannot tolerate an absence of an answer to it's persistent question. There is no way you can prove that to be True...it's an idea and assessment that very much hinges on deep personal judgments, thus the presence of an SVP.
Mind/Ego needs to explain the whys/hows of experiential content. It just won't tolerate 'not knowing.'
It wants to know so there is hope that perhaps experience is not beyond control....it loves the idea of being a someone/something in the driver's seat that CAN take control and move life experience towards conformance with personal desires.
I am finding this set of folks who are strongly set on ideas about 'how/why' explanations are generally the least interested in looking 'beyond' ideas as to what is behind them. That erroneous sense of sitting in the driver's seat of life, is seemingly quite pleasing to the person.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 2, 2023 22:36:58 GMT
I know, right? Clearly a case of confusing self-help with Nonduality. Akin to the idea that you must first re-arrange, repaint and re-upholster all the furniture in the house before tossing it all out and burning the house down...
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Post by robertsghost on Jan 3, 2023 18:12:23 GMT
Hello all,
This is 'robertk' from the spiritualteachers website. I recently got banned by admins there (I'm assuming Reefs). I tried to create a second 'ghost' account, to simply announce that I was banned, so that people knew why I wasn't responding to messages, but that message was deleted and that account was banned as well. Haha.
Anyway, I thought I'd say 'hi', because I think it's funny that I was banned, and I remember this site as a forum for exiles.
Robert
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Post by Figgles on Jan 3, 2023 19:16:29 GMT
Hello all, This is 'robertk' from the spiritualteachers website. I recently got banned by admins there (I'm assuming Reefs). I tried to create a second 'ghost' account, to simply announce that I was banned, so that people knew why I wasn't responding to messages, but that message was deleted and that account was banned as well. Haha. Anyway, I thought I'd say 'hi', because I think it's funny that I was banned, and I remember this site as a forum for exiles. Robert Hey Robert....hehe....love the new name! Muttley started somethin' it seems...something funny...love it! Yeah, I suspected that with you challenging Reefs directly,so succinctly and making exceptional points as you were, and with similar tone she was evidently fine to address you with, she was gearing up for a temper tantrum and would ban you accordingly. I've realized long ago that my personality is such that nothing gets my ire up as much as hypocricy, dishonesty, arrogance, tyrannical behavior. Where I see it, I call it out. Simple. I couldn't stop that movement if I tried, and have accepted it's just how I'm wired. So here goes... Reefs epitomizes those traits/behaviors and what really stands out is how otherwise, seemingly good people will just sit around and shrug their shoulders and refuse to call her out. It's been going on for years...she's been mostly very tight lipped, but has shared some personal stuff on ST, and long convos/debates have ensued from those sharings, that has now been revealed to be nothing more than lies. For one, she's presented herself as a male...a father. Long conversations/debates ensued on that premise at one point, and while my bs detector went off like crazy at the time, I wasn't going to declare Reefs to be a liar simply based on intuitive nigglings. Turns out, Reefs has not been honest. In other words, for the 10 or so years Reefs has been on the ST forum, she's been lying/misleading folks...folks who generously and courageously share very personal aspects of their lives for the purpose of going deep in conversations.....engaging sincerely in Truth-talk....which Reefs has consistently met with callousness and disregard, often using the personal sharings about health, relationship issues, etc. to try to belittle the other. It's interesting, on Reddit, Reefs readily admits to 'being an asshole,' to 'lying, being a hypocrite,'....to 'cheating on her girlfriend.' Odd though that on a spiritual forum, there's little chance she'd share so openly....surely you'd think it would be the other way around if she's truly sincere about pursuing Truth..? Who knows.... I accept that Reefs is a messed up person....is as she is, but what really puzzles me is how most on ST just let her practice her tyrannical methods, completely unchecked. Indeed, in terms of seriousness, this is not perhaps a worldly issue of importance...but as I see it, the larger issues really do begin small....allowing tyranny and hypocrisy to go unchecked on the smaller scale is likely to mean it goes unchecked on the larger. Anyway, all that said, welcome back--I've been enjoying your posts and their clarity. Now I won't have to drag them over from ST to say so & comment on them.
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Post by robertsghost on Jan 3, 2023 21:28:12 GMT
Hello all, This is 'robertk' from the spiritualteachers website. I recently got banned by admins there (I'm assuming Reefs). I tried to create a second 'ghost' account, to simply announce that I was banned, so that people knew why I wasn't responding to messages, but that message was deleted and that account was banned as well. Haha. Anyway, I thought I'd say 'hi', because I think it's funny that I was banned, and I remember this site as a forum for exiles. Robert Hey Robert....hehe....love the new name! Muttley started somethin' it seems...something funny...love it! Yeah, I suspected that with you challenging Reefs directly,so succinctly and making exceptional points as you were, and with similar tone she was evidently fine to address you with, she was gearing up for a temper tantrum and would ban you accordingly. I've realized long ago that my personality is such that nothing gets my ire up as much as hypocricy, dishonesty, arrogance, tyrannical behavior. Where I see it, I call it out. Simple. I couldn't stop that movement if I tried, and have accepted it's just how I'm wired. So here goes... Reefs epitomizes those traits/behaviors and what really stands out is how otherwise, seemingly good people will just sit around and shrug their shoulders and refuse to call her out. It's been going on for years...she's been mostly very tight lipped, but has shared some personal stuff on ST, and long convos/debates have ensued from those sharings, that has now been revealed to be nothing more than lies. For one, she's presented herself as a male...a father. Long conversations/debates ensued on that premise at one point, and while my bs detector went off like crazy at the time, I wasn't going to declare Reefs to be a liar simply based on intuitive nigglings. Turns out, Reefs has not been honest. In other words, for the 10 or so years Reefs has been on the ST forum, she's been lying/misleading folks...folks who generously and courageously share very personal aspects of their lives for the purpose of going deep in conversations.....engaging sincerely in Truth-talk....which Reefs has consistently met with callousness and disregard, often using the personal sharings about health, relationship issues, etc. to try to belittle the other. It's interesting, on Reddit, Reefs readily admits to 'being an asshole,' to 'lying, being a hypocrite,'....to 'cheating on her girlfriend.' Odd though that on a spiritual forum, there's little chance she'd share so openly....surely you'd think it would be the other way around if she's truly sincere about pursuing Truth..? Who knows.... I accept that Reefs is a messed up person....is as she is, but what really puzzles me is how most on ST just let her practice her tyrannical methods, completely unchecked. Indeed, in terms of seriousness, this is not perhaps a worldly issue of importance...but as I see it, the larger issues really do begin small....allowing tyranny and hypocrisy to go unchecked on the smaller scale is likely to mean it goes unchecked on the larger. Anyway, all that said, welcome back--I've been enjoying your posts and their clarity. Now I won't have to drag them over from ST to say so & comment on them. Huh, that's interesting. Are you sure it's the same person on Reddit? It could be just the screen name? Either way though, your other points stand. Whoever it is, is full of shit. That much I determined for myself by interacting with the person, in public and private threads. I agree, there is a kind of honesty that matters. I wouldn't necessarily mind if a person lied about their sex or created some kind of fake persona in an online forum. But there is something else that matters, an honesty in facing the important aspects of life, and in spiritual topics. That's why I always liked how Niz talked about "earnestness". I think he said that if you had that, the form of 'practice' barely mattered. Of course, it does not mean you have to tell the police officer you were speeding. It's something else, hard to put a finger on, heart and mind. I think I know what you mean about the belittling too, and the callous disconnect when people open up a bit about their personal lives. Part of how I know he's fake (ie, hasn't much if any experience with the spiritual states he pretends to know about) is the reaction to people admitting vulnerability, weakness, depression, etc. He uses it to put the person down with his imaginary "emotional scale" thing. That is a terrible error and one he would not make if he'd had even a glimpse of genuine experience, which can be humbling to the ego, and reveals that sometimes up is down and vice-versa. I may share more later about this. I wouldn't mind understanding better what the **** went on over there. I can understand why others don't fight more, because I was on the fence myself. There are potential pros and cons to pushing back on the nonsense.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 3, 2023 22:42:48 GMT
Hello all, This is 'robertk' from the spiritualteachers website. I recently got banned by admins there (I'm assuming Reefs). I tried to create a second 'ghost' account, to simply announce that I was banned, so that people knew why I wasn't responding to messages, but that message was deleted and that account was banned as well. Haha. Anyway, I thought I'd say 'hi', because I think it's funny that I was banned, and I remember this site as a forum for exiles. Robert I enjoyed participating in the conversation yesterday, it's a pleasure for me to engage in spiritual debate (it doesn't happen all that often these days), but today I have felt heavy and disinclined to log in. After Sree disappeared, I felt the same heaviness and haven't participated much there since, though I didn't know he'd been banned until it came up recently. I don't think I have it in me to question your banning there, but based on my sense of heaviness when these things happen, I don't think it's a good thing for the forum to be banning folks in this manner. Both you and Sree are clearly spiritually inclined, and have valid input on spiritual conversation, regardless of whether I agree with both your views or not. I'm not even sure why I've just expressed this. I'm uncomfortable with something, and guess I wanted to say it. I'll also add that I can't fight it, but I don't support it. I don't quite have it in me to apologize to you for that, but the sense of apology is swirling around my energy a bit.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 3, 2023 22:43:51 GMT
Hey Robert....hehe....love the new name! Muttley started somethin' it seems...something funny...love it! Yeah, I suspected that with you challenging Reefs directly,so succinctly and making exceptional points as you were, and with similar tone she was evidently fine to address you with, she was gearing up for a temper tantrum and would ban you accordingly. I've realized long ago that my personality is such that nothing gets my ire up as much as hypocricy, dishonesty, arrogance, tyrannical behavior. Where I see it, I call it out. Simple. I couldn't stop that movement if I tried, and have accepted it's just how I'm wired. So here goes... Reefs epitomizes those traits/behaviors and what really stands out is how otherwise, seemingly good people will just sit around and shrug their shoulders and refuse to call her out. It's been going on for years...she's been mostly very tight lipped, but has shared some personal stuff on ST, and long convos/debates have ensued from those sharings, that has now been revealed to be nothing more than lies. For one, she's presented herself as a male...a father. Long conversations/debates ensued on that premise at one point, and while my bs detector went off like crazy at the time, I wasn't going to declare Reefs to be a liar simply based on intuitive nigglings. Turns out, Reefs has not been honest. In other words, for the 10 or so years Reefs has been on the ST forum, she's been lying/misleading folks...folks who generously and courageously share very personal aspects of their lives for the purpose of going deep in conversations.....engaging sincerely in Truth-talk....which Reefs has consistently met with callousness and disregard, often using the personal sharings about health, relationship issues, etc. to try to belittle the other. It's interesting, on Reddit, Reefs readily admits to 'being an asshole,' to 'lying, being a hypocrite,'....to 'cheating on her girlfriend.' Odd though that on a spiritual forum, there's little chance she'd share so openly....surely you'd think it would be the other way around if she's truly sincere about pursuing Truth..? Who knows.... I accept that Reefs is a messed up person....is as she is, but what really puzzles me is how most on ST just let her practice her tyrannical methods, completely unchecked. Indeed, in terms of seriousness, this is not perhaps a worldly issue of importance...but as I see it, the larger issues really do begin small....allowing tyranny and hypocrisy to go unchecked on the smaller scale is likely to mean it goes unchecked on the larger. Anyway, all that said, welcome back--I've been enjoying your posts and their clarity. Now I won't have to drag them over from ST to say so & comment on them. Huh, that's interesting. Are you sure it's the same person on Reddit? It could be just the screen name? Either way though, your other points stand. I've got a couple others weighing in, as we've chatted about this behind the scenes, and they've listed about 15 points in common...stuff ST Reefs has shared re: specific places of travel, music interest, being an Aussie, loving soccer...and then some more specific, subtle stuff as well that means it's about 99.99 level of obviousness....that said, extreme coincidences DO happen at times....perhaps an emotional twin of sorts. Normally, I wouldn't give a crap about that kind of thing but I've always suspected Reefs has been serving up a load of BS on many levels....the most important, misrepresenting herself as having spiritual realizations she doesn't. As I said, I'm just personally wired in a way that I demand a level of honestly from others and if they can't/won't give that, I at least want it to be openly addressed and have their BS unveiled, out in the open. Just my thing. Well said. Agree. Exactly. Throughout the years I've shared some personal health stuff, both back on ST and now on Gab. There are pages of conversation where Reefs used my sharings in precisely the way you describe. And more recently, when I shared here that I was dx'd with breast cancer back at the end of 2021, Reefs started going extra hard on the whole Ramana/Niz cancer issue. I've engaged long enough with Reefs to know all the insidious moves of that sort. Reefs has a deep mean streak. Way back she reached out by PM, knowing Enigma and I were clashing in our post exchanges, and used that as a basis to trash E to the nines, simply because he dared to question Reefs LOA assertions. Previous to that, Reefs was as buddy/buddy with E as one could get. It all felt incredibly manipulative and it became clear, the only reason Reefs reached out to me was to try to garner support for the trashing. So it's really clear that Reefs is very, very intolerant of those who challenge her views. I smell a bona-fide narcissist. Thanks for sharing that. I guess i have to keep in mind that others ARE wired differently in terms of personality that way. All good. However you slice it, it's absolute bs the way she blocked you when you already had said you were gonna lay low for a bit. Clearly she was spinning off in a vindictive tantrum of sorts and wanted to stick it to you...let you know she had the power to wield it over you like that. Messed up individual, all around.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 3, 2023 22:51:01 GMT
Hello all, This is 'robertk' from the spiritualteachers website. I recently got banned by admins there (I'm assuming Reefs). I tried to create a second 'ghost' account, to simply announce that I was banned, so that people knew why I wasn't responding to messages, but that message was deleted and that account was banned as well. Haha. Anyway, I thought I'd say 'hi', because I think it's funny that I was banned, and I remember this site as a forum for exiles. Robert I enjoyed participating in the conversation yesterday, it's a pleasure for me to engage in spiritual debate (it doesn't happen all that often these days), but today I have felt heavy and disinclined to log in. After Sree disappeared, I felt the same heaviness and haven't participated much there since, though I didn't know he'd been banned until it came up recently. I don't think I have it in me to question your banning there, but based on my sense of heaviness when these things happen, I don't think it's a good thing for the forum to be banning folks in this manner. Both you and Sree are clearly spiritually inclined, and have valid input on spiritual conversation, regardless of whether I agree with both your views or not. I'm not even sure why I've just expressed this. I'm uncomfortable with something, and guess I wanted to say it. I'll also add that I can't fight it, but I don't support it. I don't quite have it in me to apologize to you for that, but the sense of apology is swirling around my energy a bit. I appreciate your expressing this Andrew.... the epitome of transparent...honest and sincere when it comes to this stuff...very refreshing. But yeah, I agree, both Sree and now Robertk were genuinely and sincerely engaging and contributing, which meant, finally some really decent 'spiritual' conversations happening over there. It's a shame those convos were cut short like that.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 3, 2023 23:02:03 GMT
....Anyone else recall a similar Reef's avatar/pic on ST a few years back?
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Post by Figgles on Jan 3, 2023 23:13:01 GMT
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