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Post by Figgles on Apr 16, 2024 18:36:09 GMT
For fun I post to this Reefs forum. But they ban and delete my posts because I don't take his/her/their "spirituality" seriously. Very funny. This post below will be deleted very quickly. The forum used to enjoy a high level of popularity. However, it has now become inactive, with only one or two posts appearing daily. This decline began when Reefs took over as the moderator. The forum fell into a state of quietude following Reefs’ appointment. Presently, the interest in posting has reduced among the members, and debates have ceased. The responsibility for these changes can be attributed to Reefs. Well said. A spiritual forum that does not allow direct, civil and at times, robust debate, is really just an echo-chamber of similar ideas. No one there is asking the important questions; "Why" is it more important to have a forum with a nice, pleasant 'feel vibe' over a forum that is serious about apprehending the Truth? Who/what is it that values comfort and agreement re: ideas over Truth? There's more than a couple of huge egos over there are trying valiantly to preserve their position....I think there's a few who are genuinely on the verge of seeing through the SVP and thus, what we are seeing are those last throes of ego/mind...the SVP as it's starting to lose it's footing, however, I think in others, (Reefs for example) it's far more about preserving reputation and standing in the eyes of "others"...hehe....so much for "there are no others,"..... Anywhoo....once again, to all those from ST (and others as well) I cordially and sincerely invite you to our Gab forum to engage....we allow robust debate so long as it remains civil and absent overt, unnecessary personal attack. A good dharma battle hinges upon both parties focusing on the espoused views/position inherent to each post, with each participant extending a willingness to continue to engage, even if/when posed challenges threaten position. Reefs and ZD, Rick, and unfortunately now, Muttley too at times, all retreat from pointy questions that threaten their position. One who is truly interested in Truth will relish those challenges. One who is only interested in maintaining and protecting their position, will refuse to answer and or/block/ban those who challenge.
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Post by Figgles on Apr 16, 2024 18:54:20 GMT
The forum used to enjoy a high level of popularity. However, it has now become inactive, with only one or two posts appearing daily. This decline began when Reefs took over as the moderator. The forum fell into a state of quietude following Reefs’ appointment. Presently, the interest in posting has reduced among the members, and debates have ceased. The responsibility for these changes can be attributed to Reefs. They already deleted my post (above), and banned my account. They can't take a joke about their silly spiritual egos. They also ban my IP address, which is dumb, because I'm using public IP addresses that other people might use, so they accomplish nothing, and potentially hurt their other users. Yes, I noticed a kind of Stockholm syndrome among some posters. Oh, it's better now that Reefs tells us what we are allowed to say, because in the past some people were mean and now Reefs has saved us. No wonder it is quiet. The owner should euthanize the place. An astute take! Who knew there were so many followers interested in Nonduality?
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Post by Figgles on Apr 16, 2024 19:02:48 GMT
Yup. This speaks to ZD's erroneous assertion that there can be a realization of Oneness, somehow, with a separate "me" still intact.
The realization of Oneness means an "automatic" seeing through of the SVP, which means, an automatic unveiling/knowing of (S)elf.
Yes! And it is that particular pointer that you seem to have zero reference for. Those states are/arise "IN" Self, Self is not "IN" any particular state, nor is it "IN" anything else that arises/appears.
While it can be cool to post the specific words and terms used by the masters and the ontologies they adhered to, it's also very important in these discussions to be able to use your own terminology to speak of first hand, direct apprehension, in a way that makes it clear, there really IS that first hand/direct apprehension.
And sorry Reefs, but that's where you fail and it explains why when you are challenged to express in your own words, you balk....refuse to answer, and/or you ban/block the one posing the challenge.
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Post by user673 on Apr 16, 2024 19:04:55 GMT
For fun I post to this Reefs forum. But they ban and delete my posts because I don't take his/her/their "spirituality" seriously. Very funny. This post below will be deleted very quickly. Hey, user673, welcome! I think I recall seeing that post of yours a ways back on ST, or at least something similar..? My initial thought was that it would likely at the very least get you slapped and warned, but lo and behold, the petty tyrant/mods took it way further. What's happening on that forum is so perfectly reflective of the extreme censorship and attempts by elites in power the world over at present, to try to shut down dissenting voices and views. It's interesting to note that this tyranny on ST pre-dated the overt/obvious attempts by elites with political power that has arisen over the past few years. And when you consider that ST is a forum supposedly dedicated to the unveiling of Truth, the lunacy and ironic hypocrisy of it all, becomes even more glaring. Here in Canada, Turdo is constantly trying to introduce new bills and laws to monitor and punish free speech, but I hafta say, Reef's/ZD's moderating policies put even Turdo's tyranny to shame. It's interesting though to note the parallel....the ways in which power corrups...even on something like a (supposed) spiritual forum. In both the phenomenal world of politics and the spiritual/Truth realm, a freedom to openly challenge dissenting views and engage in civil debate is of the utmost importance, otherwise all we have are echo-chambers, where the views of the tyrants are the only ones allowed. Spiritual forum as microcosm of the greater world en masse, serves as a poignant demonstration of ego/mind run amok as personal identity solidifies itself into false grandiosity. Just as we can point our fingers towards those in greater society whom, although they see the tyranny, find themselves lacking the integrity, courage and motivation to stand up to it, all of those on ST who continue to accept Reefs/ZD's BS, demonstrate the same. Again though, main difference being that you'd think folks who have been conversing for years on a forum supposedly dedicated to ferreting out the Absolute Truth, would demonstrate a greater respect for integrity and fairness. I was run off that forum, with several members standing up in support of that, as these folks supposedly took issue with the "tone" of the forum that civil, direct, pointed challenge of views created, but the moment this forum was created, those folks wasted zero time at all coming over here as guests, to read along as I continued to directly challenge what I deemed to be erroneous pointers/views from ST. Walk just 'aint matching the talk. To all of you on ST who resemble that remark, (or who have even a teensy semblance of interest as to whether or not you might!) I encourage you to take this opportunity to inquire within....have a look at your said, espoused values....are you living them? If not, why not? It's a forum on the internet exposed to millions, but only a few people post, so most I guess voted with their feet. I for one don't mind some rules about speech on a forum, but they should be enforced with some integrity. It doesn't sound like the moderators there know how to do that. The character "Reefs" who banned me for "trolling" was posting absurdly arrogant and surprisingly stupid things about "laws of attraction" and "science". I thought he or she was joking or trolling at first, but now it seems whoever it is just some airhead with a grandiose spiritual ego, or perhaps someone trolling or catfishing who likes to reign over a virtual fiefdom. I have genuine interest in these matters, but I don't engage in much discussion about it. Relaxation, silence, and awareness are magic ingredients. Besides the goofy moderators, several other posters there seemed like they might have been posting from an insane asylum... lots of words, saying nothing 😅 ... so, no great loss if you are banned.
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Post by Figgles on Apr 16, 2024 19:13:31 GMT
Hey, user673, welcome! I think I recall seeing that post of yours a ways back on ST, or at least something similar..? My initial thought was that it would likely at the very least get you slapped and warned, but lo and behold, the petty tyrant/mods took it way further. What's happening on that forum is so perfectly reflective of the extreme censorship and attempts by elites in power the world over at present, to try to shut down dissenting voices and views. It's interesting to note that this tyranny on ST pre-dated the overt/obvious attempts by elites with political power that has arisen over the past few years. And when you consider that ST is a forum supposedly dedicated to the unveiling of Truth, the lunacy and ironic hypocrisy of it all, becomes even more glaring. Here in Canada, Turdo is constantly trying to introduce new bills and laws to monitor and punish free speech, but I hafta say, Reef's/ZD's moderating policies put even Turdo's tyranny to shame. It's interesting though to note the parallel....the ways in which power corrups...even on something like a (supposed) spiritual forum. In both the phenomenal world of politics and the spiritual/Truth realm, a freedom to openly challenge dissenting views and engage in civil debate is of the utmost importance, otherwise all we have are echo-chambers, where the views of the tyrants are the only ones allowed. Spiritual forum as microcosm of the greater world en masse, serves as a poignant demonstration of ego/mind run amok as personal identity solidifies itself into false grandiosity. Just as we can point our fingers towards those in greater society whom, although they see the tyranny, find themselves lacking the integrity, courage and motivation to stand up to it, all of those on ST who continue to accept Reefs/ZD's BS, demonstrate the same. Again though, main difference being that you'd think folks who have been conversing for years on a forum supposedly dedicated to ferreting out the Absolute Truth, would demonstrate a greater respect for integrity and fairness. I was run off that forum, with several members standing up in support of that, as these folks supposedly took issue with the "tone" of the forum that civil, direct, pointed challenge of views created, but the moment this forum was created, those folks wasted zero time at all coming over here as guests, to read along as I continued to directly challenge what I deemed to be erroneous pointers/views from ST. Walk just 'aint matching the talk. To all of you on ST who resemble that remark, (or who have even a teensy semblance of interest as to whether or not you might!) I encourage you to take this opportunity to inquire within....have a look at your said, espoused values....are you living them? If not, why not? It's a forum on the internet exposed to millions, but only a few people post, so most I guess voted with their feet. I for one don't mind some rules about speech on a forum, but they should be enforced with some integrity. It doesn't sound like the moderators there know how to do that. The character "Reefs" who banned me for "trolling" was posting absurdly arrogant and surprisingly stupid things about "laws of attraction" and "science". I thought he or she was joking or trolling at first, but now it seems whoever it is just some airhead with a grandiose spiritual ego, or perhaps someone trolling or catfishing who likes to reign over a virtual fiefdom. I have genuine interest in these matters, but I don't engage in much discussion about it. Relaxation, silence, and awareness are magic ingredients. Besides the goofy moderators, several other posters there seemed like they might have been posting from an insane asylum... lots of words, saying nothing 😅 ... so, no great loss if you are banned. That's actually quite funny that you at first thought Reefs was spoofin'....I can see how you might think that! You don't find many folks who spout both Nonduality talk AND who argue for the existential answer of LOA all in the same breath! Yeah, there's some pretty crazy, shady shit that goes on over there for sure and w/o being banned, would not have this forum where I'm able to point plankety-blank, say whatever the heck I want to say.....freely, absent any slaps or threats of banning. It's sort of like moving from North Korea (or perhaps Canada lol!) to.....hmmm....I dunno...Mexico? (any other places that aren't jack-bootin' their citizens right now?) & sure, I can get on board with that bit; "Relaxation, silence and awareness are magic ingredients." Indeed.
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Post by Gopal on Apr 17, 2024 5:15:33 GMT
The forum used to enjoy a high level of popularity. However, it has now become inactive, with only one or two posts appearing daily. This decline began when Reefs took over as the moderator. The forum fell into a state of quietude following Reefs’ appointment. Presently, the interest in posting has reduced among the members, and debates have ceased. The responsibility for these changes can be attributed to Reefs. They already deleted my post (above), and banned my account. They can't take a joke about their silly spiritual egos. They also ban my IP address, which is dumb, because I'm using public IP addresses that other people might use, so they accomplish nothing, and potentially hurt their other users. Yes, I noticed a kind of Stockholm syndrome among some posters. Oh, it's better now that Reefs tells us what we are allowed to say, because in the past some people were mean and now Reefs has saved us. No wonder it is quiet. The owner should euthanize the place. The Owner has no interest in that forum. That's why it's happening. But I don't see that as a mistake. I see that as a perfect unfolding of the universe. That's fine for me.
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Post by Gopal on Apr 17, 2024 5:17:01 GMT
The forum used to enjoy a high level of popularity. However, it has now become inactive, with only one or two posts appearing daily. This decline began when Reefs took over as the moderator. The forum fell into a state of quietude following Reefs’ appointment. Presently, the interest in posting has reduced among the members, and debates have ceased. The responsibility for these changes can be attributed to Reefs. Well said. A spiritual forum that does not allow direct, civil and at times, robust debate, is really just an echo-chamber of similar ideas. No one there is asking the important questions; "Why" is it more important to have a forum with a nice, pleasant 'feel vibe' over a forum that is serious about apprehending the Truth? Who/what is it that values comfort and agreement re: ideas over Truth? There's more than a couple of huge egos over there are trying valiantly to preserve their position....I think there's a few who are genuinely on the verge of seeing through the SVP and thus, what we are seeing are those last throes of ego/mind...the SVP as it's starting to lose it's footing, however, I think in others, (Reefs for example) it's far more about preserving reputation and standing in the eyes of "others"...hehe....so much for "there are no others,"..... Anywhoo....once again, to all those from ST (and others as well) I cordially and sincerely invite you to our Gab forum to engage....we allow robust debate so long as it remains civil and absent overt, unnecessary personal attack. A good dharma battle hinges upon both parties focusing on the espoused views/position inherent to each post, with each participant extending a willingness to continue to engage, even if/when posed challenges threaten position. Reefs and ZD, Rick, and unfortunately now, Muttley too at times, all retreat from pointy questions that threaten their position. One who is truly interested in Truth will relish those challenges. One who is only interested in maintaining and protecting their position, will refuse to answer and or/block/ban those who challenge. yes, but everything unfolded the way it should. It's not really a problem. This has to be this way. It's not forcing me to do anything. I don't want anybody to move from ST to here, or here to ST. I love watching the way it unfolds.
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Post by Figgles on Apr 17, 2024 15:18:42 GMT
Well said. A spiritual forum that does not allow direct, civil and at times, robust debate, is really just an echo-chamber of similar ideas. No one there is asking the important questions; "Why" is it more important to have a forum with a nice, pleasant 'feel vibe' over a forum that is serious about apprehending the Truth? Who/what is it that values comfort and agreement re: ideas over Truth? There's more than a couple of huge egos over there are trying valiantly to preserve their position....I think there's a few who are genuinely on the verge of seeing through the SVP and thus, what we are seeing are those last throes of ego/mind...the SVP as it's starting to lose it's footing, however, I think in others, (Reefs for example) it's far more about preserving reputation and standing in the eyes of "others"...hehe....so much for "there are no others,"..... Anywhoo....once again, to all those from ST (and others as well) I cordially and sincerely invite you to our Gab forum to engage....we allow robust debate so long as it remains civil and absent overt, unnecessary personal attack. A good dharma battle hinges upon both parties focusing on the espoused views/position inherent to each post, with each participant extending a willingness to continue to engage, even if/when posed challenges threaten position. Reefs and ZD, Rick, and unfortunately now, Muttley too at times, all retreat from pointy questions that threaten their position. One who is truly interested in Truth will relish those challenges. One who is only interested in maintaining and protecting their position, will refuse to answer and or/block/ban those who challenge. yes, but everything unfolded the way it should. It's not really a problem. This has to be this way. It's not forcing me to do anything. I don't want anybody to move from ST to here, or here to ST. I love watching the way it unfolds. 100% agree!
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Post by Figgles on Apr 17, 2024 15:23:27 GMT
They already deleted my post (above), and banned my account. They can't take a joke about their silly spiritual egos. They also ban my IP address, which is dumb, because I'm using public IP addresses that other people might use, so they accomplish nothing, and potentially hurt their other users. Yes, I noticed a kind of Stockholm syndrome among some posters. Oh, it's better now that Reefs tells us what we are allowed to say, because in the past some people were mean and now Reefs has saved us. No wonder it is quiet. The owner should euthanize the place. The Owner has no interest in that forum. That's why it's happening. But I don't see that as a mistake. I see that as a perfect unfolding of the universe. That's fine for me. Yup...that "perfect unfolding" includes at times apparent people who are ignorant and behave in tyrannical ways, along with others who are kind, integral and wise.....all part of the natural "up/down" movement inherent to experience. Fundamentally, nothing gone wrong.
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Post by Gopal on Apr 17, 2024 15:40:16 GMT
The Owner has no interest in that forum. That's why it's happening. But I don't see that as a mistake. I see that as a perfect unfolding of the universe. That's fine for me. Yup...that "perfect unfolding" includes at times apparent people who are ignorant and behave in tyrannical ways, along with others who are kind, integral and wise.....all part of the natural "up/down" movement inherent to experience. Fundamentally, nothing gone wrong. Overall movement of universe and it's unfolding is fine. But if our rollercoaster's ups and down is not going well, then our experience would not be good for ourselves. Clarity would bring the ups and down to the correct limit.
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