Inavalan
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Post by Inavalan on Feb 23, 2022 6:46:22 GMT
As I wrote, I believe that for a lay person, being pro-vaccine (and / or pro-covid vaccine) is a matter of trusting your own intuition and intellect vs. delegating your choice to others. Having good intentions and / or being duped can explain an incorrect choice for oneself, but ultimately it means that that person misused their intellect and intuition. What works for someone may not work for another. I don't think that blood transfusion could help immune, neurological, and other side effects; not even myocarditis. I read earlier an exchange between Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche and an anonymous dr. X. It was an informative exchange, but what was also interesting to me, was that I was following easier dr. Vanden Bossche's excplanations, thatn dr. X did. I suspect that this was the case because I am less knowledgeable about the subject, so I have less limiting beliefs about the subject than a medical doctor has. linkvoiceforscienceandsolidarity.substack.com/p/question-to-dr-x-is-dr-vanden-bosscheThere were some informative graphs, like this one, which shows an increase in the covid death rate, while the infection rate is dropping (South Africa, omicron):  My interest in potentially donating blood was engaged by hearing a story about a pair of Italian parents who had a run-in with the authorities there after requesting that only unvaccinated blood be used for their child during a planned operation that was known to require a substantial transfusion.
I agree with you that the jabbed were duped, but in my opinion, it's not like they were foolish, and I still admit for the possibility that my belief might be flawed to some extent. Institutions that most people have relied on for decades took a wrong turn years back now, but in such a way that it was easy not to notice that, and the dramatic degree to which this was accelerated relatively recently is outside the experience of most Americans alive today.
That's why I am not optimistic about a change for the better, neither at social and political level, not at health care level. It is also this global aspect of the blatant disrespect for the rights of the individual that is almost shocking, and which has the support of large segments of the population. Those in power will likely get even more brazen in manipulating the public, and stealing elections. This will also embolden international challenges for power from big and small contenders. |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Feb 23, 2022 13:48:24 GMT
My interest in potentially donating blood was engaged by hearing a story about a pair of Italian parents who had a run-in with the authorities there after requesting that only unvaccinated blood be used for their child during a planned operation that was known to require a substantial transfusion.
I agree with you that the jabbed were duped, but in my opinion, it's not like they were foolish, and I still admit for the possibility that my belief might be flawed to some extent. Institutions that most people have relied on for decades took a wrong turn years back now, but in such a way that it was easy not to notice that, and the dramatic degree to which this was accelerated relatively recently is outside the experience of most Americans alive today.
That's why I am not optimistic about a change for the better, neither at social and political level, not at health care level. It is also this global aspect of the blatant disrespect for the rights of the individual that is almost shocking, and which has the support of large segments of the population. Those in power will likely get even more brazen in manipulating the public, and stealing elections. This will also embolden international challenges for power from big and small contenders. |
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Post by Esponja on Feb 23, 2022 14:04:10 GMT
This body/mind is conditioned to care so why wouldn’t it? As I’ve pointed out before, plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it because who would do that really? I’d say your self-realization was stable, mine was too much belief in I. That’s dwindled. Now if I choose to pay attention to it it’s from more of a peaceful perspective that ultimately everything is ok. Your words ... plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it ... attracted my attention, and I'd like to comment. In my opinion, the decision to get a vaccine or not is a matter of intuition and intellect. Being advanced spiritually should help you (using the impersonal "you" from here on) make better choices for yourself. Getting the jab may have helped some people, but it was disastrous to others. Getting overly emotional in imposing your choice onto others, in my opinion, is a sign of lower level of spirituality. Fear too. Anger to some degree too. (I refer here to sustained fear and / or anger, not to transitory emotions). For a lay person being pro-vaccine, or pro-covid vaccine, is a matter of trust (I would call it faith) both in others' opinions, and in your own intellect and intuition. Believing that you have the right to impose, your choice of trust onto others, is wrong. It is even despicable when people start accepting "collateral damage", which to me, in most cases I can think of, is sociopathy. I was thinking of a good friend of mine earlier. Cardiologist. Whole family is pfizered up incl children. He’s a good man who cares for his family. He vaccinated his teenage boy 🤷🏻♀️ Anyhow, I read yours and Muttley’s posts. I don’t disagree with much in them. My interest in it all just seems to be disappearing. I had to force myself to reply almost. This is a self-reflection by the way, not aimed at anyone. Just where I’m currently at. |
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Post by Inavalan on Feb 23, 2022 20:04:20 GMT
Your words ... plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it ... attracted my attention, and I'd like to comment. In my opinion, the decision to get a vaccine or not is a matter of intuition and intellect. Being advanced spiritually should help you (using the impersonal "you" from here on) make better choices for yourself. Getting the jab may have helped some people, but it was disastrous to others. Getting overly emotional in imposing your choice onto others, in my opinion, is a sign of lower level of spirituality. Fear too. Anger to some degree too. (I refer here to sustained fear and / or anger, not to transitory emotions). For a lay person being pro-vaccine, or pro-covid vaccine, is a matter of trust (I would call it faith) both in others' opinions, and in your own intellect and intuition. Believing that you have the right to impose, your choice of trust onto others, is wrong. It is even despicable when people start accepting "collateral damage", which to me, in most cases I can think of, is sociopathy. I was thinking of a good friend of mine earlier. Cardiologist. Whole family is pfizered up incl children. He’s a good man who cares for his family. He vaccinated his teenage boy 🤷🏻♀️ Anyhow, I read yours and Muttley’s posts. I don’t disagree with much in them. My interest in it all just seems to be disappearing. I had to force myself to reply almost. This is a self-reflection by the way, not aimed at anyone. Just where I’m currently at. Thanks for sharing. Please, never force yourself to reply on my account ...  I believe that what's best for someone may not be good for another, and that everyone owes themselves to ultimately make their own choices, including the choice of letting things come and go without making active choices, just passive choices, and including changing their views at any time. |
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Post by Inavalan on Feb 23, 2022 22:33:56 GMT
It seems we're in the process of applying the 5 stages of grief to losing our freedoms. :max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/4175361_color1-5c3b9069c9e77c0001c6c85f.png) After "depression", "acceptance" seems a relief, but we accepted the loss (of our freedoms). |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Feb 24, 2022 16:04:59 GMT
Your words ... plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it ... attracted my attention, and I'd like to comment. In my opinion, the decision to get a vaccine or not is a matter of intuition and intellect. Being advanced spiritually should help you (using the impersonal "you" from here on) make better choices for yourself. Getting the jab may have helped some people, but it was disastrous to others. Getting overly emotional in imposing your choice onto others, in my opinion, is a sign of lower level of spirituality. Fear too. Anger to some degree too. (I refer here to sustained fear and / or anger, not to transitory emotions). For a lay person being pro-vaccine, or pro-covid vaccine, is a matter of trust (I would call it faith) both in others' opinions, and in your own intellect and intuition. Believing that you have the right to impose, your choice of trust onto others, is wrong. It is even despicable when people start accepting "collateral damage", which to me, in most cases I can think of, is sociopathy. I was thinking of a good friend of mine earlier. Cardiologist. Whole family is pfizered up incl children. He’s a good man who cares for his family. He vaccinated his teenage boy 🤷🏻♀️ Anyhow, I read yours and Muttley’s posts. I don’t disagree with much in them. My interest in it all just seems to be disappearing. I had to force myself to reply almost. This is a self-reflection by the way, not aimed at anyone. Just where I’m currently at. .  As long as you're not losing interest in your personal relationships at the same time it's probably even a interesting thing, as well, sort of an opportunity, a settling. Or it might mean that you're just getting jaded - that's for you to decide for yourself. Depends on why you were interested in the first place, and that can become clear if it's an opening of quiet space as opposed to just a suppression and ignoring it out of a sort of exhaustion. |
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Post by Esponja on Feb 25, 2022 6:17:06 GMT
I was thinking of a good friend of mine earlier. Cardiologist. Whole family is pfizered up incl children. He’s a good man who cares for his family. He vaccinated his teenage boy 🤷🏻♀️ Anyhow, I read yours and Muttley’s posts. I don’t disagree with much in them. My interest in it all just seems to be disappearing. I had to force myself to reply almost. This is a self-reflection by the way, not aimed at anyone. Just where I’m currently at. . As long as you're not losing interest in your personal relationships at the same time it's probably even a interesting thing, as well, sort of an opportunity, a settling. Or it might mean that you're just getting jaded - that's for you to decide for yourself. Depends on why you were interested in the first place, and that can become clear if it's an opening of quiet space as opposed to just a suppression and ignoring it out of a sort of exhaustion. Thank you. Definitely an opening to space and it can at times feel unsettling as there’s nothing to hold onto. Leaving it all in it’s uncontrived singularity. |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Feb 25, 2022 6:39:05 GMT
That happens.  As long as you're not losing interest in your personal relationships at the same time it's probably even a interesting thing, as well, sort of an opportunity, a settling. Or it might mean that you're just getting jaded - that's for you to decide for yourself. Depends on why you were interested in the first place, and that can become clear if it's an opening of quiet space as opposed to just a suppression and ignoring it out of a sort of exhaustion. Thank you. Definitely an opening to space and it can at times feel unsettling as there’s nothing to hold onto. Leaving it all in it’s uncontrived singularity. Thank you. And namaste.  |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 3, 2022 4:41:31 GMT
I liked this. I have personally lost a lot of interest in world events. Oh...that was good! Really liked it. This really hit home: "Dare we be radiant in the face of the horror of the recognition of the degradation of our planet and political systems.." In other words, Just because the world is going to shit and we care and hold hope for that descending into deeper shit to stop, does not necessary mean that we must cease to shine in love and joy and to radiate that as we go forth, albeit holding the opinions about the current world state that we hold. Being free and feeling free is not incompatible with an acknowledgement of the degradation of our planet and political systems. The best chance we have of healing those is to engage the world in "full shine." |
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As long as you're not losing interest in your personal relationships at the same time it's probably even a interesting thing, as well, sort of an opportunity, a settling. Or it might mean that you're just getting jaded - that's for you to decide for yourself. Depends on why you were interested in the first place, and that can become clear if it's an opening of quiet space as opposed to just a suppression and ignoring it out of a sort of exhaustion.
As long as you're not losing interest in your personal relationships at the same time it's probably even a interesting thing, as well, sort of an opportunity, a settling. Or it might mean that you're just getting jaded - that's for you to decide for yourself. Depends on why you were interested in the first place, and that can become clear if it's an opening of quiet space as opposed to just a suppression and ignoring it out of a sort of exhaustion.
