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Post by Figgles on Dec 31, 2021 18:35:45 GMT
I'm inclined to agree, but your sphere of experience can be the earth and even beyond that, can't it? For example...I'm aware of stuff happening in many countries, so therefore they are part of my sphere of experience. Or do you mean 'sphere of experience' differently? Sphere of experience is your experience, you will change the world around you, people around you. You wouldn't change the entire world. Funnily, If you go to the new place, you would be projecting the same kind of people.
For an example, If you find you are in trouble with your environment, don't go to the new place because you would be projecting the same environment there as well because the problem is in your inner not in outer. Rather, change your belief, as a result you would be going to the new place without your volition or you will be creating a new environment around you. Ultimately we wouldn't be changing the world, we would be changing our world. Is there actually a difference? |
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Post by Gopal on Dec 31, 2021 18:53:50 GMT
Sphere of experience is your experience, you will change the world around you, people around you. You wouldn't change the entire world. Funnily, If you go to the new place, you would be projecting the same kind of people.
For an example, If you find you are in trouble with your environment, don't go to the new place because you would be projecting the same environment there as well because the problem is in your inner not in outer. Rather, change your belief, as a result you would be going to the new place without your volition or you will be creating a new environment around you. Ultimately we wouldn't be changing the world, we would be changing our world. Is there actually a difference? You really don't know the difference? |
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Post by Figgles on Dec 31, 2021 19:09:19 GMT
Is there actually a difference? You really don't know the difference? I know the difference between the idea of an objective world vs. 'the known/experienced world.' My point is, there is no 'actual' knowing/direct experience of two-worlds/multiple worlds, only one. A world that somehow exists beyond immediate perception/appearance of a world, is an assumption/surmising only. If Self has been realized, any question of such an objective world's existence, is seen to be misconceived....based upon the delusion/illusion of separation. The way you are speaking, you seem to be suggesting there is "actually" a world that exists beyond perception of 'the world.' Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your words...? |
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Post by Enigma on Dec 31, 2021 19:28:09 GMT
I took his comment to mean we don't change the Earth, and I never suggested we did. If he means the Earth doesn't change, I'll say again, the (appearance) of Earth will change as we change. Does anybody have anything to say about the direction humanity needs to take in the future?As I see it, the movement towards a recalibration of sorts.....a re-affirmation of what is truly, personally/individually and collectively valued/important is already underway....it seems to be an inevitable counter-part of the insane shenanigans of the corrupt. I don't think that those whose hearts are currently attuned more towards the direction of love can resist getting caught up in the movement of that expansion and grounding in basic fundamental values of freedom and decency, and all else it entails...those whose hearts are not attuned in that direction I think are going to have a very, very hard time, until/unless there is a shift from darkness to light/love....as what's essentially happening with them is that they are resisting a very powerful flow/movement that ultimately, they cannot escape.
I see far more of the former though in my own experience, than the latter.
That said, came across a shared tweet of one of those gals that had unfriended me on fb a ways back due to what she deigned my "lack of morals," in that I was not going along with contract tracing protocols at restaurants....it essentially said, 'I only need to know two things about someone to be able to be their friend....are they vaccinated and what's their opinion on Kyle Rittenhouse.'
This is a woman who prides and outwardly upholds and advertises herself as being "a good and moral human being," and yet, there she is, heralding a quote that supports closing your heart to someone based upon differing personal opinions.
I am happy to say, she is not the norm in my circle...I have remained friends with many who hold very different opinions than I on the issue of vaccines, Kyle Rittenhouse, etc. It's cool to see many waking up to the fact that kindness and caring about each other and even continuing in friendship can happen even when you don't see eye to eye on some very important subjects.
It seems to me more and more are waking up to embrace that kind of loving attitude of acceptance towards their fellow man, regardless of specific views on specific issues, while of course, some are still becoming further entrenched in hatefulness...
I've been listening to talk about how tightly historical cycles have mirrored what's currently going on....there have been re-sets that are fundamentally very similar in past years, but my sense is not to the degree/depth of this one, where the most basic of fundamental human values...light vs. dark, are being called into question. The Glenn Beck video below gets into some of the history....found it very interesting.  |
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Post by Enigma on Dec 31, 2021 19:29:38 GMT
From Satsang Poetry: To My Love love paints it's own portrait in the image of the beloved seen so clearly now in the reflecting pool in the deep regions of my own heart on your lips I paint the perfect words to bring courage to uncertainty on your cheeks, a childlike wonder innocent and fresh to awaken my own and in your eyes I paint the deepest ocean a portal straight to your own heart unfailing love the stars are in their places because we are together god has opened a door because we have knocked the moon lights our way because we walk toward it this is the power of love I love you as gentle things must be loved if they are to remain so I love you as wild things are loved untamed and free I love you as graceful things are loved with an eye for beauty if there is even a space between us there is also a bridge that forms how can I know anymore where your love ends and mine begins? you are my portrait and I am yours thank you for that Beautiful E.  |
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Post by Figgles on Dec 31, 2021 19:44:39 GMT
As I see it, the movement towards a recalibration of sorts.....a re-affirmation of what is truly, personally/individually and collectively valued/important is already underway....it seems to be an inevitable counter-part of the insane shenanigans of the corrupt. I don't think that those whose hearts are currently attuned more towards the direction of love can resist getting caught up in the movement of that expansion and grounding in basic fundamental values of freedom and decency, and all else it entails...those whose hearts are not attuned in that direction I think are going to have a very, very hard time, until/unless there is a shift from darkness to light/love....as what's essentially happening with them is that they are resisting a very powerful flow/movement that ultimately, they cannot escape. I see far more of the former though in my own experience, than the latter.
That said, came across a shared tweet of one of those gals that had unfriended me on fb a ways back due to what she deigned my "lack of morals," in that I was not going along with contract tracing protocols at restaurants....it essentially said, 'I only need to know two things about someone to be able to be their friend....are they vaccinated and what's their opinion on Kyle Rittenhouse.'
This is a woman who prides and outwardly upholds and advertises herself as being "a good and moral human being," and yet, there she is, heralding a quote that supports closing your heart to someone based upon differing personal opinions.
I am happy to say, she is not the norm in my circle...I have remained friends with many who hold very different opinions than I on the issue of vaccines, Kyle Rittenhouse, etc. It's cool to see many waking up to the fact that kindness and caring about each other and even continuing in friendship can happen even when you don't see eye to eye on some very important subjects.
It seems to me more and more are waking up to embrace that kind of loving attitude of acceptance towards their fellow man, regardless of specific views on specific issues, while of course, some are still becoming further entrenched in hatefulness...
I've been listening to talk about how tightly historical cycles have mirrored what's currently going on....there have been re-sets that are fundamentally very similar in past years, but my sense is not to the degree/depth of this one, where the most basic of fundamental human values...light vs. dark, are being called into question. The Glenn Beck video below gets into some of the history....found it very interesting. Yes... & all that happens naturally if/when the SVP is out of the way, absent of course, the sense of having to 'work/effort.' While arising intents to specifically help certain people in specific ways cannot be quelled, it can often be surprising who in the end is actually "helped" and in what ways....personal intent/imagining of future is often proved meager and limited and lacking in comparison to "God's unfettered unfolding." I think much of the problem lies in people thinking they have all the answers in their personal musings of how the world should be, and then their striving to control/imporove things to arrive at that specific end. The very idea of "improving individuals for a greater good" can be a loaded one if personal judgments/values are not themselves seen to be inherently empty. |
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Post by Esponja on Dec 31, 2021 22:19:14 GMT
I took his comment to mean we don't change the Earth, and I never suggested we did. If he means the Earth doesn't change, I'll say again, the (appearance) of Earth will change as we change. Does anybody have anything to say about the direction humanity needs to take in the future?As I see it, the movement towards a recalibration of sorts.....a re-affirmation of what is truly, personally/individually and collectively valued/important is already underway....it seems to be an inevitable counter-part of the insane shenanigans of the corrupt. I don't think that those whose hearts are currently attuned more towards the direction of love can resist getting caught up in the movement of that expansion and grounding in basic fundamental values of freedom and decency, and all else it entails...those whose hearts are not attuned in that direction I think are going to have a very, very hard time, until/unless there is a shift from darkness to light/love....as what's essentially happening with them is that they are resisting a very powerful flow/movement that ultimately, they cannot escape.
I see far more of the former though in my own experience, than the latter.
That said, came across a shared tweet of one of those gals that had unfriended me on fb a ways back due to what she deigned my "lack of morals," in that I was not going along with contract tracing protocols at restaurants....it essentially said, 'I only need to know two things about someone to be able to be their friend....are they vaccinated and what's their opinion on Kyle Rittenhouse.'
This is a woman who prides and outwardly upholds and advertises herself as being "a good and moral human being," and yet, there she is, heralding a quote that supports closing your heart to someone based upon differing personal opinions.
I am happy to say, she is not the norm in my circle...I have remained friends with many who hold very different opinions than I on the issue of vaccines, Kyle Rittenhouse, etc. It's cool to see many waking up to the fact that kindness and caring about each other and even continuing in friendship can happen even when you don't see eye to eye on some very important subjects.
It seems to me more and more are waking up to embrace that kind of loving attitude of acceptance towards their fellow man, regardless of specific views on specific issues, while of course, some are still becoming further entrenched in hatefulness...
I've been listening to talk about how tightly historical cycles have mirrored what's currently going on....there have been re-sets that are fundamentally very similar in past years, but my sense is not to the degree/depth of this one, where the most basic of fundamental human values...light vs. dark, are being called into question. The Glenn Beck video below gets into some of the history....found it very interesting. You were in my head there. I fell out with only one friend over all this and I really have put myself out there on socials but that person in hindsight is a narcissist. I had argumentd with others who have just lined up for their boosters but we agreed to disagree. They are in fear and I respect that but it does seem to come with some arrogance and definitely political bias too. I was at a party last night and everyone agreed that we need to all come together more and be kinder to one another. I liked that. Am still unjabbed going to parties (outside so no masks). Really, nothing has changed in my day to day. |
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Post by Esponja on Dec 31, 2021 22:20:29 GMT
Yes... & all that happens naturally if/when the SVP is out of the way, absent of course, the sense of having to 'work/effort.' While arising intents to specifically help certain people in specific ways cannot be quelled, it can often be surprising who in the end is actually "helped" and in what ways....personal intent/imagining of future is often proved meager and limited and lacking in comparison to "God's unfettered unfolding." I think much of the problem lies in people thinking they have all the answers in their personal musings of how the world should be, and then their striving to control/imporove things to arrive at that specific end. The very idea of "improving individuals for a greater good" can be a loaded one if personal judgments/values are not themselves seen to be inherently empty. Bang on sista!! ❤️ Everything is resolved in the unborn mind. |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 1, 2022 0:41:38 GMT
Well, I'd say that this notion is beyond the limitation of my individuated mind, that the direction it goes, is the direction it goes. Seems to me the best that we can do and hope for as individuals is to embody some of what this rather achingly beautiful poetry you've been writing points to. Unfortunately you still did not pass the first chapter of spiritual world, that's rollercoaster. Once you pass this gate, then you can come to other areas. Enigma is the strong believer of rollercoaster. He has to teach about why rollercoaster experience is true for everyone. Happy New Year to you and your family Raj. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 3:43:16 GMT
You really don't know the difference? I know the difference between the idea of an objective world vs. 'the known/experienced world.' My point is, there is no 'actual' knowing/direct experience of two-worlds/multiple worlds, only one. A world that somehow exists beyond immediate perception/appearance of a world, is an assumption/surmising only. If Self has been realized, any question of such an objective world's existence, is seen to be misconceived....based upon the delusion/illusion of separation. The way you are speaking, you seem to be suggesting there is "actually" a world that exists beyond perception of 'the world.' Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your words...? There is experience of world. That cannot be denied. It doesn't matter if you call this experience apparent or misconceived. It is still what it is. Saying that it is apparent or misconceived changes nothing about the experience itself. The experience will not become modified by any particular understanding or labelling of the experience. This is merely philosophy. If there is nothing that is not the Self then world is also Self. If the Self is the only reality then the world is real also. Anything that is experienced is the reality. There is no such thing as illusion. Everything is consciousness whether unmanifest or manifest. |
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