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Post by Figgles on Aug 14, 2021 20:50:17 GMT
A quote that nicely puts on a cap on the pointer "thought is not the enemy," and the world does not need to collapse/disappear to be free from it.
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Post by Esponja on Aug 15, 2021 6:47:12 GMT
A quote that nicely puts on a cap on the pointer "thought is not the enemy," and the world does not need to collapse/disappear to be free from it. And nobody there doing any of it anyhow. Let it all arise. 💕
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Post by Figgles on Nov 13, 2021 20:49:26 GMT
Thought per se is not a problem....nor is engagement of thought a problem. Thoughts in general DO lose their stickiness, but that does not equal what I take to mean their "flavor or color." The world of form = the world of mind/thought/ideas and upon seeing the world of form as an empty appearance only, none of the flavor or color of the appearing world is 'lost.' If anything, in seeing the inherent emptiness of all appearance, in that freedom/liberation from identification with any-thing, the appearing world becomes ever more amazing/beautiful/colorful....as now the blinders of limitation are off!
Thoughts/ideas lose their stickiness when the entire realm of appearance loses it's stickiness. But losing stickiness does not equal losing it's color or beauty or even it's (personal) meaning.
Again, the Niz quote below speaks perfectly to this fallacy that many entertain about thought....ideation....mind...the personal story;
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Post by Figgles on Nov 13, 2021 20:57:20 GMT
While the experience of flow provides a good example of engagement in activity absent overt thought, it's not necessary to be in flow to be free from the constraints of thought.
Thought is not the enemy. Thought only truly constrains when a thought is mis-taken for Truth. Mis-taking thought for Truth, is the issue...failure to see through all appearance as empty and devoid of Truth, is the only problem.
Once the entire story...the entire realm of appearance is seen through, once there is no longer identification with any-thing phenomenal, including a thought/idea, thought, even intense and active thought, is no longer a problem.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 14, 2021 7:00:49 GMT
Yes, that makes perfect sense as it's also fair to say that "if the commentary track is running," there is self-referential thought/ideation in play. When the SVP/entity gets seen through, that kind of running commentary alongside arising experience, generally ceases.
"Running commentary" is very much an indicator of the presence of the overlay of the specific thought/imagining of a separate 'me' into the experience.
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Post by Esponja on Nov 14, 2021 20:56:25 GMT
Yes, that makes perfect sense as it's also fair to say that "if the commentary track is running," there is self-referential thought/ideation in play. When the SVP/entity gets seen through, that kind of running commentary alongside arising experience, generally ceases. "Running commentary" is very much an indicator of the presence of the overlay of the specific thought/imagining of a separate 'me' into the experience. My running commentary still exists but less so 🤷🏻♀️ Old habbits perhaps.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 14, 2021 21:33:10 GMT
Yes, that makes perfect sense as it's also fair to say that "if the commentary track is running," there is self-referential thought/ideation in play. When the SVP/entity gets seen through, that kind of running commentary alongside arising experience, generally ceases. "Running commentary" is very much an indicator of the presence of the overlay of the specific thought/imagining of a separate 'me' into the experience. My running commentary still exists but less so 🤷🏻♀️ Old habbits perhaps. It's of the utmost importance whether or not there is awareness of that running commentary, and clearly, you are aware of it. To be aware of it, you're obviously NOT completely caught up in or immersed in the idea of 'being the commentator,'...& yeah, old conditionings like that can and do sometimes carry on post awakening, and In time, absent that full immersion/identification, will very likely dwindle down even more or even cease.
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Post by Esponja on Nov 15, 2021 5:37:02 GMT
My running commentary still exists but less so 🤷🏻♀️ Old habbits perhaps. It's of the utmost importance whether or not there is awareness of that running commentary, and clearly, you are aware of it. To be aware of it, you're obviously NOT completely caught up in or immersed in the idea of 'being the commentator,'...& yeah, old conditionings like that can and do sometimes carry on post awakening, and In time, absent that full immersion/identification, will very likely dwindle down even more or even cease. Awakening sounds like: Ohhhhh my god, 1000 times a week😂 Insights!
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Post by Figgles on Nov 15, 2021 18:49:42 GMT
It's of the utmost importance whether or not there is awareness of that running commentary, and clearly, you are aware of it. To be aware of it, you're obviously NOT completely caught up in or immersed in the idea of 'being the commentator,'...& yeah, old conditionings like that can and do sometimes carry on post awakening, and In time, absent that full immersion/identification, will very likely dwindle down even more or even cease. Awakening sounds like: Ohhhhh my god, 1000 times a week😂 Insights! The perfect term to describe the informing of mind, post SR! Insights are not 'the realization' itself, but in terms of shift in experience, which is very much a facet of awakening to the dream, very important. I think many confuse 'insight' with 'realization/seeing through' as it's easy to do simply because of mind's propensity to assert itself wherever there is a void. Insights DO continue to happen as Self realization informs mind, as the dust settles, so to speak, following awakening, but, important not to conflate those 'mind-informing insights' with the initial seeing through/awakening/shift in locus of seeing. Seems to me, you've been amazingly very stable in your ability to decipher the difference, right off the bat. You are crystal clear as to what constitutes story vs. Truth. I suspect you will notice the lapses getting shorter and shorter, those instances where you perhaps temporarily lose sight of the dream as a dream, and then resettle....From what it sounds like, you are already experiencing that re-settling back into 'the view beyond it all' happening very quickly, and all on it's own, spontaneously, if/when mind starts to churn too deeply into story-land.
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Post by Esponja on Nov 16, 2021 17:10:40 GMT
Awakening sounds like: Ohhhhh my god, 1000 times a week😂 Insights! The perfect term to describe the informing of mind, post SR! Insights are not 'the realization' itself, but in terms of shift in experience, which is very much a facet of awakening to the dream, very important. I think many confuse 'insight' with 'realization/seeing through' as it's easy to do simply because of mind's propensity to assert itself wherever there is a void. Insights DO continue to happen as Self realization informs mind, as the dust settles, so to speak, following awakening, but, important not to conflate those 'mind-informing insights' with the initial seeing through/awakening/shift in locus of seeing. Seems to me, you've been amazingly very stable in your ability to decipher the difference, right off the bat. You are crystal clear as to what constitutes story vs. Truth. I suspect you will notice the lapses getting shorter and shorter, those instances where you perhaps temporarily lose sight of the dream as a dream, and then resettle....From what it sounds like, you are already experiencing that re-settling back into 'the view beyond it all' happening very quickly, and all on it's own, spontaneously, if/when mind starts to churn too deeply into story-land. Insughtful lol😅 Yes, mind wants to ‘know’. It’s still the same bs. Sometimes more subtle but ultimately more mind getting involved. The ‘I got it’ …”I lost it’ energy is still pretty relentless. To the extent where it has me questioning if I made it all up and then frustration kicks in and then wakefulness again 🤷🏻♀️. Not quite what mind imagined awakening to be like at all. It’s all seen as pretty funny. Folk take it all so seriously.
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