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Post by Figgles on Feb 25, 2021 5:40:04 GMT
Do you see the question then, "what do I know for absolute certain" as a merely relative question? As I see it, Esponja was speaking from the position of what she actually knows vs. what is surmised....and what is surmised then, (that which appears or doesn't beyond the door that is currently appearing to her) she is saying remains unknown. It's completely on par with what Adyashanti is speaking about in this excerpt below;
"You need to be willing to question everything, to stop and ask yourself, "do I really know what I think I know, or have I just taken on the beliefs and opinions of others? What do I actually know, and what do I want to believe or imagine? What do I know for certain? This one question--"What do I know for certain?"--is tremendously powerful. When you look deeply into this question, it actually destroys your world. It destroys your whole sense of self, and it's meant to. You come to see that everything you think you know about the world, is based on assumptions, beliefs, and opinions--things you believe because you were taught or told that they were true. Until we start to see these false perceptions for what they really are, consciousness will be imprisoned within the dream state. In the same way, as soon as we allow ourselves to realize, "My gosh, I know almost nothing; I don't know who I am. I don't know what the world is. I don't know if this is true. I don't know if that is true," something within our being opens up. When we are willing to step into the unknown and it's inherent insecurity, and not run back to anything for cover or for comfort--when we are willing to stand as if facing an oncoming wind and not wince--we can finally face actual self. Investigating the question; "What do I know for certain"/ is also an invaluable tool once awakening has happened. Asking yourself this question aids in the dissolution of limitations and ideas, as well as the tendency to fixate--all of which continue after awakening. NO matter where you are on the path, then, it's this willingness to stand up within yourself and ask this question and to be open and sincere about what you find that is the most important thing. It's the backbone on which the entirety of your awakening and your life after awakening depends." - Adyanshani Oh, that's a question that was central for me at one point in time, and one I worked on both consciously and subconsciously for decades. You're over analyzing the dialog. Go back and re-read what she wrote, it was quite simple: "I don't even know what exists outside my own room, unless my mind tells me." Then go back and look at exactly how I replied. Did I contradict what she said, or did I affirm it? Pay attention to the actual words on the page. I think we're having two different conversations at this point.
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Post by Esponja on Feb 25, 2021 7:16:39 GMT
You two are confusing me 😂😂😂
I’ve already had to deal with ‘no me’ 😂😂
Seriously though, what I meant, was how Tolle, Adya, Sailor Bob etc describe ‘this’. Without referring to memory, thought, imagination, labels..etc. what do I actually know?
There’s an assumption that life is carrying on outside this house.. but I don’t know for certain through all my other senses. I imagine this would be akin to watching a baby or young toddler. They just don’t know about anything else..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 13:23:41 GMT
But there's no doer! no free will! clearly your husband is suffering from the delusions of a SVP! taking credit for deals he didn't make! (** snicker **)thanks for understanding
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 13:33:06 GMT
Law of attraction says that 'like attracts like'. Reality creation says that 'belief creates the reality' Oh, okay, I didn't realize there was that distinction. Would it be wrong to say then that Reality creation says; Belief 'attracts' future manifestation? "Belief creates the reality" Or "Belief attracts the reality" have had deep contention in the past in many places. To attract all other possible reality has to exist(at the level of parallel) but to create the reality, it doesn't have to. I strongly believe belief creates the reality is correct.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 13:38:47 GMT
So what is it? A feeling...a sense...? An arinsing experience? If you look closely, the 'experience of' time passing does not present immediately, directly. It's inferred. It's an 'add-on' of mind, upon present moment experience. The only 'kind of' experience there IS. Why do you insist on repeating the same dialogs endlessly? It's always the TMT tornado's, too ...
To parrot Tolle, there is "psychological time", which is the way you describe it: a creation of mind. Not strictly imagination, as it's based on experience, which isn't imagined, but mostly our minds fill-in-the-blanks. I wouldn't argue that "psychological time" isn't an illusion, but it's not the way I'd describe it.
There is also "clock time", which is simply the process of physical change. Unlike "psychological time", "clock time" isn't dependent on your individuated, personal mind. It's objective.
Your use of the word "experience" is uncommon, and that's fine. It suggests various states and degree of consciousness altered from what is considered the common consensus state. These can be illuminating as to the nature of the appearance of time, but they don't mean that the common meaning of the word "experience", which is time-bound, refers to an illusion.
I just got bored now too!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 13:43:16 GMT
You two are confusing me 😂😂😂I’ve already had to deal with ‘no me’ 😂😂 Seriously though, what I meant, was how Tolle, Adya, Sailor Bob etc describe ‘this’. Without referring to memory, thought, imagination, labels..etc. what do I actually know? There’s an assumption that life is carrying on outside this house.. but I don’t know for certain through all my other senses. I imagine this would be akin to watching a baby or young toddler. They just don’t know about anything else..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 13:46:34 GMT
LOA works always without fail like a gravity. But the thing is, the created reality sustains as long as one holds the image of the desired reality. Once he stops visualizing or affirming, then the created reality will be collapsed. If any of the reader have ever used reality creation, then you must be knowing what I am talking about.
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Post by Esponja on Feb 25, 2021 17:28:57 GMT
LOA works always without fail like a gravity. But the thing is, the created reality sustains as long as one holds the image of the desired reality. Once he stops visualizing or affirming, then the created reality will be collapsed. If any of the reader have ever used reality creation, then you must be knowing what I am talking about. I use reality creation by putting in beliefs into my client’s subsconscious. But of course, this is still dream stuff... Who is doing what?
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Post by Figgles on Feb 25, 2021 18:34:25 GMT
Oh, okay, I didn't realize there was that distinction. Would it be wrong to say then that Reality creation says; Belief 'attracts' future manifestation? "Belief creates the reality" Or "Belief attracts the reality" have had deep contention in the past in many places. To attract all other possible reality has to exist(at the level of parallel) but to create the reality, it doesn't have to. I strongly believe belief creates the reality is correct. So then, is that belief, "creating" that causal relationship, or does that causal relationship between belief and future manifest reality, exist as a law independent of whether you believe it to be so, or not...?
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Post by Figgles on Feb 25, 2021 18:49:41 GMT
You two are confusing me 😂😂😂 I’ve already had to deal with ‘no me’ 😂😂 Seriously though, what I meant, was how Tolle, Adya, Sailor Bob etc describe ‘this’. Without referring to memory, thought, imagination, labels..etc. what do I actually know?
There’s an assumption that life is carrying on outside this house.. but I don’t know for certain through all my other senses. I imagine this would be akin to watching a baby or young toddler. They just don’t know about anything else.. Yup. That question, 'what do I actually know,' as Adya says, has the potential to collapse the world as you previously knew it. The degree of inferring, surmising, concluding, imagining that goes on in the experience of a sequentially, unfolding story is massive. And there's nothing at all 'wrong' with any of that...it's just that in seeing it, a huge chunk of what one previously took for granted as being beyond question, has now gone up smoke. As I think you are presently seeing, this question is as Adya says "also an invaluable tool once awakening has happened.." he goes on to say: "Asking yourself this question aids in the dissolution of limitation and ideas, as well as the tendency to fixate--all of which continue after awakening. No matter where you are on the path, then, it's this willingness to stand up within yourself and ask this question and to be open and sincere about what you find that is the most important thing. It's the backbone on which the entirety of your awakening and your life after awakening depends." A very strong statement, but imo, he is not exaggerating at all!
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