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Post by Andrew on Dec 1, 2020 23:20:46 GMT
Hey, just logged in for the first time in a few days....just saw a Foucault quote (on twitter!) and immediately thought of this thread...
"Pandemic is a dream of the mighty - it enables them to control the population, put everyone in their place, conduct surveillance collecting detailed information, create restricted space in which every citizen is under influence of their power."
He was a smart guy.
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Post by muttley on Dec 2, 2020 1:01:01 GMT
Hey, just logged in for the first time in a few days....just saw a Foucault quote (on twitter!) and immediately thought of this thread... "Pandemic is a dream of the mighty - it enables them to control the population, put everyone in their place, conduct surveillance collecting detailed information, create restricted space in which every citizen is under influence of their power." He was a smart guy.
A American populist commentator opined the other day that it's the "Brave New World" model that better fits the way things went, and I see his point: at least as to how it applies to the upper-middle-class 1st world prior to 2020. I predict the Kardashian's calling it quits will be a notable future cultural landmark.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 14:19:56 GMT
If it had been the government which shut down Parler then that would be censorship and a violation of 1A
But for businesses not wanting to host or be associated in any way with hate groups, domestic terrorists, seditionists, etc. is the obvious call for them to make.
But the fight against online misinformation is the bigger story. And how some folks become radicalized by conspiracy theories, etc another..
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Post by muttley on Jan 12, 2021 0:01:54 GMT
If it had been the government which shut down Parler then that would be censorship and a violation of 1A But for businesses not wanting to host or be associated in any way with hate groups, domestic terrorists, seditionists, etc. is the obvious call for them to make. But the fight against online misinformation is the bigger story. And how some folks become radicalized by conspiracy theories, etc another.. So the Ayatollah can post "death to America!" and people can post death threats on twitter, and that's just fine, no political violence there, right?
True that private companies can't violate your first amendment rights, but don't be so naive as to think the Parler shutdown is about politics, it isn't, and it's a major anti-trust issue.
In the long run it's fine. FANG seems to have bought their own bullshit that 80 million people actually voted for Joe. A quick back of the envelope would put the American market they're leaving on the table at roughly 200 million consumers. Nothing they do is rocket science, it's just that server farms take money, and capital will be attracted to this.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 12, 2021 0:07:21 GMT
If it had been the government which shut down Parler then that would be censorship and a violation of 1A But for businesses not wanting to host or be associated in any way with hate groups, domestic terrorists, seditionists, etc. is the obvious call for them to make. But the fight against online misinformation is the bigger story. And how some folks become radicalized by conspiracy theories, etc another.. Sound familiar at all? BLM riots fulfilled that criteria perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:27:12 GMT
If it had been the government which shut down Parler then that would be censorship and a violation of 1A But for businesses not wanting to host or be associated in any way with hate groups, domestic terrorists, seditionists, etc. is the obvious call for them to make. But the fight against online misinformation is the bigger story. And how some folks become radicalized by conspiracy theories, etc another.. So the Ayatollah can post "death to America!" and people can post death threats on twitter, and that's just fine, no political violence there, right? True that private companies can't violate your first amendment rights, but don't be so naive as to think the Parler shutdown is about politics, it isn't, and it's a major anti-trust issue. In the long run it's fine. FANG seems to have bought their own bullshit that 80 million people actually voted for Joe. A quick back of the envelope would put the American market they're leaving on the table at roughly 200 million consumers. Nothing they do is rocket science, it's just that server farms take money, and capital will be attracted to this.
except people on twitter that make death threats get banned wheras people on parler could spew all kinds of vile and dangerous rhetoric, and with near impunity... which is why corporate America is distancing itself from that scene
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:41:05 GMT
hey, some savvy tech dude copied the parler database before Amazon turned off the lights.. (70 TB's worth, I think he said) he had most everything, and he and others are pouring through it.. story to come....... According to @donk_enby, more than 99% of all Parler posts, including millions of videos bearing the locations of users, were saved. Unlike most of its competitors, Parler apparently had no mechanism in place to strip sensitive metadata from its users’ videos prior to posting them online.and ooof... the investigative hours that will be spent sorting out who did what where and when will be unprecedented.. but at least thankfully some of the rioters documented their own criming capitol-hill-riots.s3.us-east-1.wasabisys.com/directory.html
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Post by muttley on Jan 13, 2021 0:52:52 GMT
So the Ayatollah can post "death to America!" and people can post death threats on twitter, and that's just fine, no political violence there, right? True that private companies can't violate your first amendment rights, but don't be so naive as to think the Parler shutdown is about politics, it isn't, and it's a major anti-trust issue. In the long run it's fine. FANG seems to have bought their own bullshit that 80 million people actually voted for Joe. A quick back of the envelope would put the American market they're leaving on the table at roughly 200 million consumers. Nothing they do is rocket science, it's just that server farms take money, and capital will be attracted to this.
except people on twitter that make death threats get bannedwheras people on parler could spew all kinds of vile and dangerous rhetoric, and with near impunity... which is why corporate America is distancing itself from that scene That's not what I've heard. The intensely ironic optics of banning Trump while keeping the CCP, Iran, Putin, Assad and Maduro - among others - seems to be lost on Jack, and that's called a blind spot. Assad actually, indisputably turned his military on his civilians, killing 10's of thousands. Is that one of those satirical fake-joke accounts? Because, if not, get present to WIBIGO.
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Post by muttley on Jan 13, 2021 0:54:13 GMT
hey, some savvy tech dude copied the parler database before Amazon turned off the lights.. (70 TB's worth, I think he said) he had most everything, and he and others are pouring through it.. story to come....... According to @donk_enby, more than 99% of all Parler posts, including millions of videos bearing the locations of users, were saved. Unlike most of its competitors, Parler apparently had no mechanism in place to strip sensitive metadata from its users’ videos prior to posting them online.and ooof... the investigative hours that will be spent sorting out who did what where and when will be unprecedented.. but at least thankfully some of the rioters documented their own criming capitol-hill-riots.s3.us-east-1.wasabisys.com/directory.htmlThe CEO of gab noticed an uptick in "fed posting" over the past few months and ran their own intel gathering operation on that. Most of the violence was lefties posing otherwise.
And I'm not so naive as to think that some of the maga haven't gotten so angry at this point as to have lost it. That's regrettable.
But I'm not so naive as to think in black-and-white terms. Wars require at least two combatants, and noone who chooses war is innocent.
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Post by Enigma on Jan 15, 2021 17:32:21 GMT
I'm hoping to get back to you on the other thread with a few paragraphs about what's been happening in the UK in the last couple of years but I saw this yesterday. It's Ireland, so not Britain...but still...related. First 4 minutes are the relevant minutes, but what really caught my attention...as it has others...is the 'wristbands that won't come off' remark. I think this guy being 'zoomed' into classrooms all over the country is clear manipulation and propaganda. I feel America must fight this kind of thing. Thanks for sharing. Yeah, when all the lock downs happened, it truly caught me off guard and I immediately began to think of all the interpersonal aspects of our society, especially the more modern ones that relied so heavily on the service industry. Being in Texas, we did not experience the brunt of such decisions like others did, so I haven't been that affected and do not have such experiential angst that some might have. We live a relatively hermetic existence, though my wifey takes classes and the like while I do care giving for my mom, tutoring for my niece and nephew, and stuff and once a week head into town. To me, the shutdowns were extreme in hindsight, but I still cannot say I fully understand all the dimensions of the decision-making process it takes for massive societies, especially when they involve higher population-densities, healthcare systems and their costs, impacts on longer-term outcomes, specific parts of a population bearing the brunt, etc.
That said, I do believe that if the different fields of science do train their eyes on the actualities, I like to think we'll learn a lot. MS and PhD students are constantly looking for subjects of study. I absolutely agree that if studies on the potential negative outcomes of governments and agencies are actually silenced or shunned, then shit should hit the fan. I'm not there yet in believing we have such a massive world-wide fraud being perpetrated on 8 billion peeps.... there are just tooooo many potentials for leaks and whistle blowers in this day and age. Furthermore, what does a government have to gain from sending 1/3 to 1/2 of its peeps to abject poverty, thus destroying their entire tax base. I hope there's not a plausible answer to that! 😬 And anyhow, I do not have the bandwidth for fact-checking the explosion in conspiracies... though I am open to reading about ones that are thought-provoking in their sincerity and depth. I DO believe that if people in the free world are alarmed, then it's GREAT to have extra pissed off people willing to organize, guide, educate, and execute. To that end, other than maybe cheer leading or facilitating in the sowing of discontent, I don't see how spreading false conspiracies and lies is going to help. I do know, however, they're going to happen... and by many stakeholders in the game, including the government.
I do not tell peeps to not follow their gut instincts, though I would have them use discernment of credibility to minimize the rabbit holes and spread of misinformation. Good research and reporting is hard work, but it can be very rewarding.
To put it simply, the central bank system is failing, and many of our world elite have decided that the great reset is the answer, which of course will benefit them and leave us with worldwide socialism. (Think China on steroids.) As it applies to the pandemic, the purpose of the lockdowns is to destroy small businesses, leaving the large corporations to profit, most of which are already tied into the deep state. Hencely, we have small shops shutting down while the likes of wall mart and home depot are thriving.
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