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Post by muttley on Aug 11, 2020 4:22:50 GMT
Social distancing another physical expression perhaps of that mental sanitizing. Another great insight .. seems to me that it's about increasing individual isolation, in part for the stated goal of safety, but I think for some of the authoritarians and anti-Trumpettes, it's also a bonus: naturally enhancing the resulting alienation that's already a part of urban life.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 12, 2020 20:41:49 GMT
Social distancing another physical expression perhaps of that mental sanitizing. Another great insight .. seems to me that it's about increasing individual isolation, in part for the stated goal of safety, but I think for some of the authoritarians and anti-Trumpettes, it's also a bonus: naturally enhancing the resulting alienation that's already a part of urban life. yes could be, and sorry for late replies, I read all yours but have had an unusually busy couple of days plus a heatwave here. 34 degrees in London always seems like 45 degrees anywhere else i've been. We don't do air con here and our buildings are designed for insulation. I'll probably have more time next week.
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Post by muttley on Aug 12, 2020 22:22:48 GMT
Another great insight .. seems to me that it's about increasing individual isolation, in part for the stated goal of safety, but I think for some of the authoritarians and anti-Trumpettes, it's also a bonus: naturally enhancing the resulting alienation that's already a part of urban life. yes could be, and sorry for late replies, I read all yours but have had an unusually busy couple of days plus a heatwave here. 34 degrees in London always seems like 45 degrees anywhere else i've been. We don't do air con here and our buildings are designed for insulation. I'll probably have more time next week. No worries dude. Interest follows attention as it may go, as we know. Sucks about the heatwave! us 'meicans have heatpumps in florida and ac in maine.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 12, 2020 22:44:55 GMT
yes could be, and sorry for late replies, I read all yours but have had an unusually busy couple of days plus a heatwave here. 34 degrees in London always seems like 45 degrees anywhere else i've been. We don't do air con here and our buildings are designed for insulation. I'll probably have more time next week. No worries dude. Interest follows attention as it may go, as we know. Sucks about the heatwave! us 'meicans have heatpumps in florida and ac in maine. You can never be too prepared.
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Post by muttley on Aug 13, 2020 6:37:09 GMT
Another great insight .. seems to me that it's about increasing individual isolation, in part for the stated goal of safety, but I think for some of the authoritarians and anti-Trumpettes, it's also a bonus: naturally enhancing the resulting alienation that's already a part of urban life. yes could be, and sorry for late replies, I read all yours but have had an unusually busy couple of days plus a heatwave here. 34 degrees in London always seems like 45 degrees anywhere else i've been. We don't do air con here and our buildings are designed for insulation. I'll probably have more time next week. Also: use ice. Neck, wrists .. etc. Even a small fan that fits easily on your desk can knock the felt temp directly around your body down quite a bit, regardless of the room temp. In really desperate situations, combine the two.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 16, 2020 19:43:21 GMT
.. ♪ is WI .. BI ..GO! ♫ The title of the vid below baited my click on this one, although I think the whole "snowflake" meme is, ultimately, unnecessarily harsh.
The content went much deeper than that. At the center of it is this one bit of cultural/internet drama that apparently happened a few years ago involving this University of Toronto prof, Jordan Petersen. Now, I've since watched some of his stuff (very very litte), and I can't say I'm a fan, but tracing the drama conflagration backward (two video's referred to in the one below) helped me understand some of the roots of the madness going on these days. If you'll notice, a central theme of discussion is the idea of "Post Modernism". An interesting current illustration of it is an apparent Twitter debate on the notion of "2+2=5". The reason I'm posting this here is because PMism seems to me an expression of people-peep TMT gone mad into a mis-weilding some of the ideas that we're all interested in, such as the meaning of words, the implications of the absence of actual limitation/separation, and the emptiness of ideas and cultural constructs, particularly, identity.
Not surprisingly, the whole affair seems to have turned into a snake swallowing it's tail, been several generations in the making, and has apparently produced a generation of 20-somethings with a high population of folks susceptible to all sorts of hysterical mass-hypnosis manipulations, which they ironically call, being woke. The roots of the term "woke", are obviously, in the new-age, which has clear cultural entanglement with nonduality.
One moment of dialog that implicates WIBIGO, and I found to be both insightful, and an echo of recurring themes on these forums about subject/object and the nature of science was the exchange between Lehmann and Jenkins in response to a comment/question from the host at @ 1:01:30. In my opinion, Jenkins delivers a great punch line, although Lehmann and the host are definitely on the trail of WIBIGO, in terms of, shall we say, a notion of provisional, immediate and conditional objectivity.
I want to also say that I'm not necessarily a complete fan of what CIS.org seems to stand for, either, and I know ST lolly would probly blow his top over them folks.
Enjoyed that.....the bolded, a very good summation/description. I found it interesting that when asked if they'd bring in an anti-vaxxer to speak on campus, how two of the panel was quick to say no, even though they are very much seeing the manipulations regarding other issues...seemed they still hadn't considered that particular issue one that's perhaps also been a victim of the manipulation. Does very much draw a parallel for me with the necessity when it comes to SR, to see through the 'totality' of the phenomenal/experiential and not just 'some' of it.
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Post by muttley on Aug 17, 2020 4:47:19 GMT
.. ♪ is WI .. BI ..GO! ♫ The title of the vid below baited my click on this one, although I think the whole "snowflake" meme is, ultimately, unnecessarily harsh.
The content went much deeper than that. At the center of it is this one bit of cultural/internet drama that apparently happened a few years ago involving this University of Toronto prof, Jordan Petersen. Now, I've since watched some of his stuff (very very litte), and I can't say I'm a fan, but tracing the drama conflagration backward (two video's referred to in the one below) helped me understand some of the roots of the madness going on these days. If you'll notice, a central theme of discussion is the idea of "Post Modernism". An interesting current illustration of it is an apparent Twitter debate on the notion of "2+2=5". The reason I'm posting this here is because PMism seems to me an expression of people-peep TMT gone mad into a mis-weilding some of the ideas that we're all interested in, such as the meaning of words, the implications of the absence of actual limitation/separation, and the emptiness of ideas and cultural constructs, particularly, identity.
Not surprisingly, the whole affair seems to have turned into a snake swallowing it's tail, been several generations in the making, and has apparently produced a generation of 20-somethings with a high population of folks susceptible to all sorts of hysterical mass-hypnosis manipulations, which they ironically call, being woke. The roots of the term "woke", are obviously, in the new-age, which has clear cultural entanglement with nonduality.
One moment of dialog that implicates WIBIGO, and I found to be both insightful, and an echo of recurring themes on these forums about subject/object and the nature of science was the exchange between Lehmann and Jenkins in response to a comment/question from the host at @ 1:01:30. In my opinion, Jenkins delivers a great punch line, although Lehmann and the host are definitely on the trail of WIBIGO, in terms of, shall we say, a notion of provisional, immediate and conditional objectivity.
I want to also say that I'm not necessarily a complete fan of what CIS.org seems to stand for, either, and I know ST lolly would probly blow his top over them folks.
Enjoyed that.....the bolded, a very good summation/description. I found it interesting that when asked if they'd bring in an anti-vaxxer to speak on campus, how two of the panel was quick to say no, even though they are very much seeing the manipulations regarding other issues...seemed they still hadn't considered that particular issue one that's perhaps also been a victim of the manipulation. Does very much draw a parallel for me with the necessity when it comes to SR, to see through the 'totality' of the phenomenal/experiential and not just 'some' of it. Glad you enjoyed it, thanks. I think the contempt for vax questioner's (I think anti-vaxxer is essentially meant as a pejorative) is grounded in their culture as academics. What I notice about this cultural movement that they're a part of is a sort of self-conscious division they've drawn, that ultimately can end up as being artificial, between what's scientifically acceptable, and otherwise, between what is a product of reason vs. what is a product of irrationality. Seems to me to have accelerated over the past 30 years. There's a sort of self-soothing defense mechanism involved there. It's an us v. them that's similar to all the old class struggles from centuries past, but this time the elites have convinced themselves of the fallacy of their meritocracy.
One thing I found refreshing about this group was their relative open-mindedness, but it's interesting to watch their reaction, their body language, when the guy with the thick Aussie accent asked his question, exclaiming ".. I mean what is this?? I don't even know what this is!"
It also doesn't help that big phrama + Gates + the medical industrial complex have been on multi-decade-mission to destroy Jenny McCarthy and anyone else who dares question them publicly. Science denier's!
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