|
Post by Figgles on Aug 21, 2020 23:33:45 GMT
The bottom line with all movements founded on contention of views, is the ability or lack thereof to remain grounded in peace as you do so....grounded in the realization that it's all appearance only, dream-stuff, arising upon the singular screen of One consciousness. It seemed to me that you hadn't merely 'lost sight' of that, but that you'd yet to see it, which necessarily then means, getting swept up into the contentious movement and suffering. But yes, there are indeed times where the battle IS the path of least resistance....the key question you should ask yourself though to see if that is so, is: Is there a sense of life and joy in the experience of 'the battle,'....can you still stand back and see it as sort of a game....that ultimately, regardless of outcome, that which you really are, will remain untouched, unchanged...? Fwiw, there's some real momentum happening re: the restaurant that's taking names and numbers.....through my posting about it, folks are going to the restaurant page and either commenting or liking my review, and as a result, their overall rating based on hundreds of reviews has dropped from 4.5/5 to 4. Might not sound like a huge deal, but if they keep dropping, the manager might begin to reconsider his position. I've got several folks on my fb page who previously were posting stuff about the need to wear masks and such who are not liking everything I post that is anti-mask...so I think where this things is concerned, mind's ARE changing pretty fast because it's just so obvious what's going on. We'll see though...time will tell. I think you meant to say 'now'? Ah..yes!
|
|
|
Post by Figgles on Aug 21, 2020 23:35:36 GMT
Yes, in some cases there really does seem to be just a very basic difference in values regarding life...what it means 'to live.' But I think pure ignorance and blindness, disinterest, is also in play. Folks are simply so trusting in their governments and media, that they aren't even thinking about things. I wonder if most of those imagine that the internet is just full of crazy conspiracy theorists and don't realize they can get news from anywhere in the world, like England, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Germany and even some well established and 'respected' alternative news sources right here in the US. This is a global phenomena, so there's a whole world of alternative sources out there, and the ability to research data about anywhere in the world to confirm what's really going on. Absolutely.....the cousin I debated with who never wants to see me again, hehe.... refused to consider any source whatsoever that was not obvious Canadian mainstream news or CNN.
|
|
Enigma
Super Duper Senior Member
Posts: 13,969
|
Post by Enigma on Aug 21, 2020 23:36:58 GMT
Yes, in some cases there really does seem to be just a very basic difference in values regarding life...what it means 'to live.' But I think pure ignorance and blindness, disinterest, is also in play. Folks are simply so trusting in their governments and media, that they aren't even thinking about things. yes for some I'm sure that's true but there's a ton of really smart people around that don't trust the media but balk at a certain point of the questioning. And I think that's partly because of the depth of the rabbit hole. It's one thing for example to believe that there's something fishy about what's been happening, it's another thing to believe in a new world order, and it's yet another thing to believe that our leaders are engaged in satanic spirituality. As you know the rabbit hole leads us to question the history of humanity, the history of the planet. We may start coming across concepts like 'The Annunaki' and 'Reptilians'. And quite honestly, I think a lot of people feel both threatened and absurd as they go down the rabbit hole. It sort of makes sense that there's only so far folks are willing to go, even the really smart ones. I guess going down the hole isn't really a matter of how clever one is. Yes, I've expressed my own reluctance to go very far down the rabbit hole. There is still much that I'm not buying into, but now we're seeing much of the conspiracy theories turning to fact before our eyes, and I've aligned with the likes of Tucker Carlson and David Icke and Steven Greer, which is a new experience for me.
|
|
Enigma
Super Duper Senior Member
Posts: 13,969
|
Post by Enigma on Aug 21, 2020 23:56:01 GMT
I wonder if most of those imagine that the internet is just full of crazy conspiracy theorists and don't realize they can get news from anywhere in the world, like England, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Germany and even some well established and 'respected' alternative news sources right here in the US. This is a global phenomena, so there's a whole world of alternative sources out there, and the ability to research data about anywhere in the world to confirm what's really going on. Absolutely.....the cousin I debated with who never wants to see me again, hehe.... refused to consider any source whatsoever that was not obvious Canadian mainstream news or CNN. The longer this goes on the more attached peeps will be to being right; the more they will have invested themselves in their story, and the madder they will get when you try to take that story away. Not to mention the sense of betrayal in the case of your cousin.
|
|
|
Post by Figgles on Aug 22, 2020 3:55:46 GMT
Absolutely.....the cousin I debated with who never wants to see me again, hehe.... refused to consider any source whatsoever that was not obvious Canadian mainstream news or CNN. The longer this goes on the more attached peeps will be to being right; the more they will have invested themselves in their story, and the madder they will get when you try to take that story away. Not to mention the sense of betrayal in the case of your cousin. Yes! All of that going on for sure. I think with media and leaders too, barring them all being completely in on the 'plan,' there's that sense of doubling down, tripling/quadrupling down, on what they themselves are starting to see as a very bad idea gone wrong, just to try to save face, for as long as they can, any way they can.
|
|
Andrew
Super Duper Senior Member
Posts: 8,340
|
Post by Andrew on Aug 24, 2020 15:54:04 GMT
yes I'm sure it did seem like that, but I'm sure you can see now that going to war with the restaurant is necessary for you, because it is the path of least resistance. Sometimes war has to be engaged with and I support you in it....though it's quite an odd twist that I've been less at war this year than previous years! Your point is well taken, but I see a huge difference between opening eyes to the need for free range chicken, and opening them to a plan for global fascism and the end of human freedom. We can hope that at least the chicken will remain free to roam their range. haha yes
|
|
Andrew
Super Duper Senior Member
Posts: 8,340
|
Post by Andrew on Aug 24, 2020 16:01:53 GMT
Reflected in the last few days....this might be something Fig mentioned....but I think the 'globalists' have been very surprised at the overall lack of co-operation they have faced from large areas of the world. I think the plan they have put in place has basically failed (they may come up with something new, who knows). From what I understand, they have a morality of sorts, in which they are somewhat obliged to acknowledge what people say they want... so if folks express an unwillingness to go with their plan, they have to acknowledge that (and then perhaps try a new plan).
Way I see it, is that because our spirit is free, the more control is exerted on humanity, the more people have to awaken to the true nature of spirit. In a sense, a game they can't ultimately win. Or as Princess Leia once said...'the more you tighten your grip, the more slips through your fingers'.
Anyway, I've appreciated this thread.
|
|
Andrew
Super Duper Senior Member
Posts: 8,340
|
Post by Andrew on Aug 24, 2020 16:56:58 GMT
Posting this 'Back to the Future' vid partly for a bit of fun, but I'll be honest...I take it seriously in the sense that I don't write it off as conspiracy madness. When I watch it, I get goosebumps...which obviously isn't a good rational reason to believe it, but it's a physical sign I sometimes respect (I don't necessarily agree with the 9-11 stuff towards the end) But what's interesting for me, is that it's a good example of the rabbit hole. What I mean is....if there's something to this video, then it means 9-11 was known about since the mid 80s. It means that either Zemeckis, Spielberg, or both, were given advance notice. It means that there was a hell of a plan in place for a long time (it can be argued that the 'grand plan' has been in place for hundreds of years). But what the rabbit hole does...continually...is say.....'if you accept this to be true, then this would also have to be true'. And before one knows it, they are looking at videos of the Queen of England apparently shapeshifting I don't buy everything Icke says to be clear. And I think he has his own spiritual 'work' to accomplish.... sometimes I feel he would love to be right so much, that part of him wants to experience what he also abhors. I have to pay attention to this within me too....I find there's a delicate balance to be walked when it comes to conspiracy and political stuff. It's also why I have frequented forums with a non-duality focus, for me the conspiracy/political stuff has always been peripheral, even even when I have felt I have to go to 'battle'. This video was hard to find on youtube these days......used to be easy to find. Google is hopeless these days as an honest tool.
|
|
|
Post by Figgles on Aug 24, 2020 17:08:05 GMT
yes for some I'm sure that's true but there's a ton of really smart people around that don't trust the media but balk at a certain point of the questioning. And I think that's partly because of the depth of the rabbit hole. It's one thing for example to believe that there's something fishy about what's been happening, it's another thing to believe in a new world order, and it's yet another thing to believe that our leaders are engaged in satanic spirituality. As you know the rabbit hole leads us to question the history of humanity, the history of the planet. We may start coming across concepts like 'The Annunaki' and 'Reptilians'. And quite honestly, I think a lot of people feel both threatened and absurd as they go down the rabbit hole. It sort of makes sense that there's only so far folks are willing to go, even the really smart ones. I guess going down the hole isn't really a matter of how clever one is. Yes, I've expressed my own reluctance to go very far down the rabbit hole. There is still much that I'm not buying into, but now we're seeing much of the conspiracy theories turning to fact before our eyes, and I've aligned with the likes of Tucker Carlson and David Icke and Steven Greer, which is a new experience for me. Yes! Me too....and there's a bit of a back and forth going on here.... as I'm aghast on one hand that I trusted and even listened to the news sources I did but on the other hand, I'm pleased to see how easily and quickly I was able to shift from that trust, to skepticism/critical questioning, when faced with evidence, and then to opening to a whole new viewpoint. I've noticed that when others find out about that radical shift in viewpoint, it really shocks and angers some, while it really pleases others. One of our employees, a staunch Trump loving republican, has been chewing on hubby's ear for a few years now, with intense debate sometimes ensuing. When Eric told him of his change of viewpoint, it seemed to actually be kind of life changing for him...someone he respected, finally on board kind of thing. They've kind of been joined at the hip ever since... Conversely, the cousin who never wants to speak to me again, responded to a fb post of mine where I linked to Trump's new medical Advisor, Dr. Atlas, saying that it was great Fauci was finally out, with "OMG....you trust Trump"?...(She and I used to agree wholeheartedly about the insanity of Trump as Pres)....and so it went from there....hehe... Hubby played a round of golf last week with a group of Trump supporters whom he always felt kind of cold shouldered him because he didn't agree....even with the oh so deadly Corona-virus lurking about, there were hugs and hand-shakes all around. Human beings...what a crazy lot we are...
|
|
|
Post by Figgles on Aug 24, 2020 17:30:26 GMT
Reflected in the last few days....this might be something Fig mentioned....but I think the 'globalists' have been very surprised at the overall lack of co-operation they have faced from large areas of the world. I think the plan they have put in place has basically failed (they may come up with something new, who knows). From what I understand, they have a morality of sorts, in which they are somewhat obliged to acknowledge what people say they want... so if folks express an unwillingness to go with their plan, they have to acknowledge that (and then perhaps try a new plan). I think you're right. The very fact that Bill Gates for one, has been unabashedly sharing his 'plan' for the world and upholds himself as a philanthropist who is doing wonderful things, speaks loudly to that. Gotta wonder how that feels to him to go from being so widely accepted as a generous, caring rich guy who is willing to spend his time and money making the world a better place, to now having his name pop up all over the internet as a cog in the wheel of an evil world takeover. I wonder if that was all a twist he saw coming? I can only imagine he's squirming a bit, wondering how to get back to that place of wide, implicit trust. Well said. The last gal that unfriended me on fb (yeah...they're dropping like flies..hehe) had come to my page to respond to a post where I was alerting to the fact that a restaurant in our area was doing contact tracing...demanding personal info. or turning you away. Several folks piped up that in BC most restaurants are doing this, thus, they just give fake info. I suggested having a bit of fun with it, "Ben Dover"...."867-5309" kinda stuff and there was a nice aura of kinship and then that gal responded with the accusation that giving fake names is not being "a good human," that it's "unkind" because there are those who are depending upon contact tracing to help them feel more safe. I replied that pandering to delusions is not kindness and well, it went downhill pretty fast from there.... we all know how well that one goes over. But yes, all this does have the potential to perhaps get folks looking deeper and wouldn't it be something if there's sincerity there in a few of those cases and maybe with that, a little loosening of the grasp upon the very idea that "thinking I am safe" is always the most important thing.
|
|