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Post by Figgles on Nov 6, 2019 3:10:25 GMT
The fact that you think you're going to find truth somewhere other than the dream scape obviously means you don't get it. You can only be truth or live truth which is to be in the natural state which includes the experience you call the dreamscape all as one unified reality without separation. Is there anything at all you'd say you know for absolute certain?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 3:15:14 GMT
The fact that you think you're going to find truth somewhere other than the dream scape obviously means you don't get it. You can only be truth or live truth which is to be in the natural state which includes the experience you call the dreamscape all as one unified reality without separation. Is there anything at all you'd say you know for absolute certain? Yes, I know for certain that I Am.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 6, 2019 3:42:22 GMT
Is there anything at all you'd say you know for absolute certain? Yes, I know for certain that I Am. Anything else? What about the world of things?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 3:47:16 GMT
Yes, I know for certain that I Am. Anything else? What about the world of things? Yes in the world of things also. If I stand on the edge of a cliff I am certain if I take a step forward I will plummet probably to my death.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 6, 2019 6:32:28 GMT
From the beginning it's seemed that the goal is to ban us, and whatever we do will be found to be cause for banning. Yup....the moment we engage, we're screwed. No doubt about it, Reefs is.... I noticed they were particularly hateful toward you and Gopal just before you left. I hope they're proud of themselves.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 6, 2019 6:50:10 GMT
I see 'intelligence/aliveness' to be different from "awareness," in that they get used to denote a quality/property OF awareness. In this particular convo anyway, that's how "aliveness" is being used. Reefs made the mistake early on in the conversation of conflating "consciousness" (as the foundation to all arising phenomena) as itself, 'being a something that is consciously aware' and thereby, infusing the phenomenal 'with' the the quality of 'being consciously aware.' How so? If there were an actual absolute 'field of aliveness' that pervaded and 'made up' every perceivable, then of course, even a dead body would be infused with that aliveness.
Zombies!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 7:06:49 GMT
Yup....the moment we engage, we're screwed. No doubt about it, Reefs is.... I noticed they were particularly hateful toward you and Gopal just before you left. I hope they're proud of themselves. Not everybody, only Reefs!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 7:08:36 GMT
From the beginning it's seemed that the goal is to ban us, and whatever we do will be found to be cause for banning. Yup....the moment we engage, we're screwed. No doubt about it, Reefs is.... Yes, the thing is you should not be opposing him in anyway. He doesnt like it. If you oppose him then you will be gone.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 6, 2019 14:08:17 GMT
Anything else? What about the world of things? Yes in the world of things also. If I stand on the edge of a cliff I am certain if I take a step forward I will plummet probably to my death. So for you, your knowing of "I am" is directly on par with your knowing that if you stand on the edge of a cliff, take a step forward, you will die?
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Post by Figgles on Nov 6, 2019 14:09:20 GMT
I see 'intelligence/aliveness' to be different from "awareness," in that they get used to denote a quality/property OF awareness. In this particular convo anyway, that's how "aliveness" is being used. Reefs made the mistake early on in the conversation of conflating "consciousness" (as the foundation to all arising phenomena) as itself, 'being a something that is consciously aware' and thereby, infusing the phenomenal 'with' the the quality of 'being consciously aware.' How so? If there were an actual absolute 'field of aliveness' that pervaded and 'made up' every perceivable, then of course, even a dead body would be infused with that aliveness.
Zombies! Yes!
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