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Post by Figgles on Nov 4, 2019 16:47:50 GMT
There was just a particularly stinky sardine over there he wanted to 'clean up,' no worries. But there's lots of stinky sardines over there. Indeed.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 4, 2019 16:55:06 GMT
Concept is pretty simple. Where there is a disagreement, there is an argument. But in ST nobody disagrees with other.Only when one among them arrive there, there is a disagreement and there is an argument. Here we find argument because you and me and you and satch and I and satch finds disagreement. Argument doesn't move between you and figgles because you both agree with each other so strongly. Yup, they've cleaned up ST to the point where they bore themselves with their agreement. Yes. And what's really interesting is we now have Reefs completely on board with Tenka and Andrew, both of whom he used to regularly shred for coming at conversations about transcendent seeing from their entirely personal perspectives. He's having to ignore quite a bit of stuff he would have at one time, completely and without apology, blasted them for, to keep that agreement and back-patting going on.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 4, 2019 17:10:20 GMT
nope, only you and me. I sometimes observe that if you or I are not present here, conversation completely stops here. And also I observe that only when one among them participate there in ST , conversation moves there otherwise ST is completely sleeping. Now ST is active because you are there and few days ago, ST was active because figgles was there. But figgles deleted her account because of reefs. After figgles deleted her account, conversation stopped, now once again it's active because you are there. Perhaps one of the most truthful statements I've read on either forum. The yin and yang? Or mind agitating? Have to admit these conflicts attract my attention, my interest. The personalities are like different toppings on an ice cream cone. It just seems to get acrimonious, but even then it's interesting. I think it should be encouraged as Satch and Figs suggested on ST. I applaud gab for doing so. Yes, Gopal has very aptly captured the movements in play on both forums. I've always said, the best spiritual conversations, thus the best spiritual forums, have juxtaposing views at their basis. And what I mean by 'best' is definitely not the most acrimonious, nor most demonstrative of personality clash, but rather, those conversations that really get to the meat of the matter.....to the Truth. (But yeah...sometimes that does mean the most acrimonious! ) And if you really stop to look at what "Truth" is, that makes perfect sense. It takes a deluded view to obscure what is always there, that which really does not so much need to be 'discovered' but 'uncovered.' Two folks who are seeing clearly don't have a whole lot of fodder to talk about that which is obscuring Truth, whereas the moment one deluded one steps in with his muddy view of things, there's now something to talk about. The acrimony and agitation though, if it arises (or I likely should say 'when' it arises, as it so often does ) is itself not completely without merit, if there is a sincere enough interest in looking at it. Where we have folks clearly and obviusly losing their temper in the face of having their views challenged, there is indeed something there worth looking into.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 4, 2019 17:10:53 GMT
I don't recall having to do any kind of sadhanas or meditation or yoga after squirming out of somebody's hoo hoo many years ago. That particular here-and-now was just perfect then, as it is now, and self-sufficient beyond any possibility of description. Who's zooming who?
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Post by Figgles on Nov 4, 2019 18:15:00 GMT
Wow. This is so telling. The realization that your conception of reality was misconceived IS immensely powerful (in terms of setting you free), so long as you don't jump straight from that seeing through, absence, right into the adoption of a new conception, as you've clearly done. You made the mistake ZD of thinking that the seeing through of your previous conception of reality, was a complete realization. It clearly wasn't. It's not about seeing through "A" particular conception of reality, it's seeing through "ALL" conceptions of reality. You saw through one conception, only to glom onto another. You need to see the totality of conceptions about reality to be 'not it.' You do see though, don't you, that it's the (s)elf/person who is concerned with 'psychological mind states'? You are speaking of moving from a seeing through, an absence, (sense of selfhood) to then filling that absence with a presence (something yummy for the person). You are describing mind's take-away following the seeing through of identification with perceivables. The seeing through of identification is not itself 'a learning,' rather, it's an unlearning, an unseeing. Mind frames it as something known after the fact, in order to speak about it, think about it, but the realization is substractive NOT additive. And I find it pretty incredible that you take issue with talk about 'appearances arising within/to Being,' when right here you are talking about how 'awareness continues unabated, even as all perceptions and thoughts cease.' You are making that very distinction that's at the root of: "appearance only." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/5299/pettifoggery?page=746#ixzz64KeecpOC
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Post by Figgles on Nov 4, 2019 18:22:34 GMT
Really well said. Andrew does this too.....takes the concepts used, infuses substance into them they don't actually have, thereby reifying them, and then argues the sh*t out of 'em...pitting each against the other. And like you are saying, best in those cases to just collapse the stinky 'ol mess right down.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 5, 2019 0:22:44 GMT
Will taking a rest get your prize fish back from ST? I didn't realize that the pet-a-frogery thread had been reopened till Figs reposted here from the thread. When I went to check it out I noticed that Figs had banned herself from the forum. Yup. Figured a true banning was imminent....and While I've come to see that so long as Reefs is moderating, conversations will be under tight control, (thus, the enjoyment for me is limited there) I do still enjoy reading posts on ST, with the possibility of copying and pasting over here, where I can respond spontaneously and as I see fit. In the past when my IP was banned there, I couldn't even get in to read without using a proxy server, which hides the real IP... and that's somewhat of a pain in the arse.....thus, I figured I'd get outta dodge before the sh*t hit the fan....take my IP with me. From the beginning it's seemed that the goal is to ban us, and whatever we do will be found to be cause for banning.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 5, 2019 0:53:28 GMT
Really well said. Andrew does this too.....takes the concepts used, infuses substance into them they don't actually have, thereby reifying them, and then argues the sh*t out of 'em...pitting each against the other. And like you are saying, best in those cases to just collapse the stinky 'ol mess right down. The real problem is they have no real interest in understanding what I'm saying beyond looking for ways to make it wrong. The 'conversation' very quickly goes poopy pants.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 0:56:26 GMT
Will taking a rest get your prize fish back from ST? I didn't realize that the pet-a-frogery thread had been reopened till Figs reposted here from the thread. When I went to check it out I noticed that Figs had banned herself from the forum. Yup. Figured a true banning was imminent....and While I've come to see that so long as Reefs is moderating, conversations will be under tight control, (thus, the enjoyment for me is limited there) I do still enjoy reading posts on ST, with the possibility of copying and pasting over here, where I can respond spontaneously and as I see fit. In the past when my IP was banned there, I couldn't even get in to read without using a proxy server, which hides the real IP... and that's somewhat of a pain in the arse.....thus, I figured I'd get outta dodge before the sh*t hit the fan....take my IP with me. I too entered into the reading mode now. Its interesting to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 1:00:27 GMT
nope, only you and me. I sometimes observe that if you or I are not present here, conversation completely stops here. And also I observe that only when one among them participate there in ST , conversation moves there otherwise ST is completely sleeping. Now ST is active because you are there and few days ago, ST was active because figgles was there. But figgles deleted her account because of reefs. After figgles deleted her account, conversation stopped, now once again it's active because you are there. Perhaps one of the most truthful statements I've read on either forum. The yin and yang? Or mind agitating? Have to admit these conflicts attract my attention, my interest. The personalities are like different toppings on an ice cream cone. It just seems to get acrimonious, but even then it's interesting. I think it should be encouraged as Satch and Figs suggested on ST. I applaud gab for doing so. People those who disagree always finds argument. People in gab finds disagreement within themselves but ST people now agrees with each other so no argument until some of us arrive here. And also there are plenty of people are visiting this forum and ST but only few of them always argue.
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