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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 17:07:58 GMT
Well it certainly isn't for you in the way you think it is. Of that I'm certain. Maybe this analogy might help. It just popped into my mind. It is like being on a boat in the middle of the ocean. The ocean is all around you. You cannot get away from it. It is everywhere you look. But sometimes you need to pay total attention to trimming the sails or checking your compass reading. But when you look up, the ocean is still there. It hasn't changed from the last time you looked at it. It is unchanging and all pervasive, but you are not always conscious of it if you are absorbed in something which demands your attention. That is abiding in Being in practical terms while living in a human body. Do you see how you posit a 'you' that at times is conscious of being and other times not? In SR, that goes. You ARE BEing...there is no 'other' you that is identified with as you sometimes are aware of Being and most other times you are aware of experiential content. It's not about being conscious of 'something,'....it's abiding in that which you really are. What has to go for that to be, is 'identification with' self/the SVP. All the intellectualizing in the world will not make up for an SVP that is still in play. It has to be seen through for you to truly grasp what's being said here. I'm not interested in the rules you made up for yourself about the truth of abiding.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2019 17:08:43 GMT
The continuing day to experience has nothing to do with realization. That just continues as it did before. What about the constant, "experienced" feeling of bliss??? Identification with the SVP = bondage. Both the SVP and the bondage are illusions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 17:11:27 GMT
[quote timestamp="1573491170" Both the SVP and the bondage are illusions. So is your post. 😀
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2019 17:11:42 GMT
I didn't say they were! Please read my last post and tell me where you think I said that. I've also said the personality remains. The idea though that it is 'stronger' after SR seems odd....'stronger' how? It's now been seen to be an ephemeral arising just like all other experiential content, if anything that should make the personality less rigid....more fluid....less fixed. It's stronger because your confidence comes from being free from bondage, but the confidence is reflected in the person because that's the vehicle for expression. If you are at peace and self fulfilled, then it is going to be reflected as a person who is self confident and resilient. That which can be called 'personality traits' are those unique attributes that specifically apply to a particular individual. Self confidence and resiliency are non-specific attributes that arise in the absence of attachment.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2019 17:13:02 GMT
[quote timestamp="1573491170" Both the SVP and the bondage are illusions. So is your post. 😀
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 17:18:22 GMT
It's stronger because your confidence comes from being free from bondage, but the confidence is reflected in the person because that's the vehicle for expression. If you are at peace and self fulfilled, then it is going to be reflected as a person who is self confident and resilient. That which can be called 'personality traits' are those unique attributes that specifically apply to a particular individual. Self confidence and resiliency are non-specific attributes that arise in the absence of attachment. Well yes. We can add non attachment to the list which includes peace of mind, fulfillment and contentment.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2019 17:20:39 GMT
That which can be called 'personality traits' are those unique attributes that specifically apply to a particular individual. Self confidence and resiliency are non-specific attributes that arise in the absence of attachment. Well yes. We can add non attachment to the list which includes peace of mind, fulfillment and contentment. Non-attachment is not something different than absence of identification. It's just a way of saying the same.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 12, 2019 1:37:09 GMT
There are actually very few natural human emotions. The rest are contrivances by mind that lead to suffering. For example, fear, sorrow, frustration, aloneness are natural feelings but terror and existential fear, abiding grief, anger and lonliness are mind's exaggerations of natural feeling resulting from self delusions and leading to suffering. The former will be retained in SR but the latter will be lost, because they are not the truth of your human expression. Yes...perfectly put. I'm always surprised on these forums how out of touch most seem to be with the nuances of feeling/emotion...and regarding the thoughts behind particular feelings, etc. Satch shows us an example of actively avoiding any clarity of mind (while pretending to obliterate it). That's the only way one can actively explore spirituality for decades and still remain ignorant.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 12, 2019 1:52:33 GMT
It's stronger because your confidence comes from being free from bondage, but the confidence is reflected in the person because that's the vehicle for expression. If you are at peace and self fulfilled, then it is going to be reflected as a person who is self confident and resilient. That which can be called 'personality traits' are those unique attributes that specifically apply to a particular individual. Self confidence and resiliency are non-specific attributes that arise in the absence of attachment. Believing he is SR and everybody around him is not is what gives him a sense of self confidence. (I don't see resilience)
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Post by Figgles on Nov 12, 2019 4:32:33 GMT
That which can be called 'personality traits' are those unique attributes that specifically apply to a particular individual. Self confidence and resiliency are non-specific attributes that arise in the absence of attachment. Believing he is SR and everybody around him is not is what gives him a sense of self confidence. (I don't see resilience) Yes, and yes.
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