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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 12:53:52 GMT
I really don't know why everyone is saying that meditation isn't necessary when all the masters are saying it is. It's a mystery! If a mantra was necessary, why wouldn't a newborn child have to be issued a mantra at birth? Same reason a newborn child isn't issued a passport at birth, or a driving license, or a new car or a diploma or size 12 shoes or ........... snooooooooze!
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Sept 1, 2019 13:05:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:05:02 GMT
If a mantra was necessary, why wouldn't a newborn child have to be issued a mantra at birth? Same reason a newborn child isn't issued a passport at birth, or a driving license, or a new car or a diploma or size 12 shoes or ........... snooooooooze! Yeah, sure, go ahead and snooze away.... anything done to transcend the ego, any techniques, thinking that one knows how to use a mantra, meditations, or spiritual practices undertaken to subvert the ego or to overcome it actually only succeeds in perpetuating it or continuing it in a more subtle way. It's blather. A spiritual ego is the result. How would one go about purifying being? Being isn't simple enough for you?
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Post by Enigma on Sept 1, 2019 13:17:23 GMT
So why didn't Nisargadatta's guru tell him there was nothing to practice because he was already that? He gave him a mantra and asked him to practice staying with the I am. I needn't repeat what I have already quoted Niz saying about the results from this practice. And I only quote it because it was also my experience. So your words concerning practice have no ring of truth for me and they never will. Maybe he forgot? Giving someone a mantra to hold onto is silliness when there is awareness/silence-thought-awareness/silence-thought-awareness/silence-thought... taking place throughout the day. All we need to know is the awareness/silence is primary. No need for a mantra or meditation. Sages rarely tell seekers the truth, partly because it can't always be told, and partly because mind is not really a partner in the process, but rather an obstruction. I'm guessing he felt Niz needed a focus for his devotion, and it seems he was right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:18:53 GMT
Same reason a newborn child isn't issued a passport at birth, or a driving license, or a new car or a diploma or size 12 shoes or ........... snooooooooze! Yeah, sure, go ahead and snooze away.... anything done to transcend the ego, any techniques, thinking that one knows how to use a mantra, meditations, or spiritual practices undertaken to subvert the ego or to overcome it actually only succeeds in perpetuating it or continuing it in a more subtle way. It's blather. A spiritual ego is the result. How would one go about purifying being? Being isn't simple enough for you? You're talking nonsense. If I were to actually teach you meditation you would be eternally grateful but I'm not sure I could live with that burden. 😀😀
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:20:08 GMT
Maybe he forgot? Giving someone a mantra to hold onto is silliness when there is awareness/silence-thought-awareness/silence-thought-awareness/silence-thought... taking place throughout the day. All we need to know is the awareness/silence is primary. No need for a mantra or meditation. Sages rarely tell seekers the truth, partly because it can't always be told, and partly because mind is not really a partner in the process, but rather an obstruction. I'm guessing he felt Niz needed a focus for his devotion, and it seems he was right. That shows you know absolutely nothing about anything really. 😏
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Sept 1, 2019 13:22:53 GMT
Post by Enigma on Sept 1, 2019 13:22:53 GMT
It is enough. I don't have to travel to Phuket to understand what is seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, touching, golfing, etc. You'd love it where I live, too. I really don't know why everyone is saying that meditation isn't necessary when all the masters are saying it is. It's a mystery! All the masters are not saying it is. Do we have to play dueling quotes again?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:26:10 GMT
I really don't know why everyone is saying that meditation isn't necessary when all the masters are saying it is. It's a mystery! All the masters are not saying it is. Do we have to play dueling quotes again? Yes we do, particularly since you're going round in circles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:27:43 GMT
Maybe he forgot? Giving someone a mantra to hold onto is silliness when there is awareness/silence-thought-awareness/silence-thought-awareness/silence-thought... taking place throughout the day. All we need to know is the awareness/silence is primary. No need for a mantra or meditation. Sages rarely tell seekers the truth, partly because it can't always be told, and partly because mind is not really a partner in the process, but rather an obstruction. I'm guessing he felt Niz needed a focus for his devotion, and it seems he was right. Okay, I can accept that. Mind can be an obstruction. I accepted that fact. Somehow, mind did, too, and it took a backseat. Why? I don't know. I cannot say it was because I was practicing meditation. It took a backseat when I stopped doing/practicing meditation. That's the mystery.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:32:27 GMT
Do we have to play dueling quotes again? Come on then. Let's start this dual. I'm waiting. First of all tell me which part you don't understand about this. I used to sit for hours together, with, nothing but the 'I am' in my mind and soon peace and joy and a deep all-embracing love became my normal state. In it all disappeared -- myself, my Guru, the life I lived, the world around me. Only peace remained and unfathomable silence." Nisargadatta
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:33:31 GMT
Sages rarely tell seekers the truth, partly because it can't always be told, and partly because mind is not really a partner in the process, but rather an obstruction. I'm guessing he felt Niz needed a focus for his devotion, and it seems he was right. Okay, I can accept that. Mind can be an obstruction. I accepted that fact. Somehow, mind did, too, and it took a backseat. Why? I don't know. I cannot say it was because I was practicing meditation. It took a backseat when I stopped doing/practicing meditation. That's the mystery. Now we're getting somewhere!
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