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Post by Figgles on May 6, 2017 22:12:31 GMT
Yeah, that depends on the plan though. One that is for the greater good is more in flow with life than a selfish one. No, that's not like that. You can be in flow only if you can witness freely. Because your nature is to witness what's arising. Does 'witness freely' mean that the circumstance evokes no emotion?..or just does not evoke negative emotion?
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Post by Figgles on May 6, 2017 22:15:23 GMT
Yeah, I guess you could say that the 'flowing with life' bit could be evidenced in the nature of the arising desire itself. A desire that is for the greater good, demonstrates greater flow, whereas a desire that is selfish and might even be for the greater harm, not so very 'flowy.' You are mistaking the meaning of "flow". Take two different condition 1) You are watching a movie 2) You are living your life in reality right now You are witnessing in both of the above conditions, one single difference is, In the first condition you are not witnessing your own body but in second condition you are witnessing your own body, So you are not acting like you are acting in your first condition. In first condition no matter what you would never try to change the game because you know it's not possible but in second condition since you too part of the game(your own body is being witnessed) and also it gives the illusion that you can change something(preparing coffee), you consider that orchestration also part of the flow. But you are mistaken. How 'bout we just have differing definitions of the term 'flow' and how it applies to spirituality/loa?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 23:55:11 GMT
Yeah, that depends on the plan though. One that is for the greater good is more in flow with life than a selfish one. No, that's not like that. You can be in flow only if you can witness freely. Because your nature is to witness what's arising. Your inherent nature is not changing, yet it is the flow. Sent from my SM-T210R using Tapatalk
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 23:57:40 GMT
I didn't say anything about efforting. It's about asking a question and seeing what arises. Okay. Of course.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 10:56:27 GMT
You are mistaking the meaning of "flow". Take two different condition 1) You are watching a movie 2) You are living your life in reality right now You are witnessing in both of the above conditions, one single difference is, In the first condition you are not witnessing your own body but in second condition you are witnessing your own body, So you are not acting like you are acting in your first condition. In first condition no matter what you would never try to change the game because you know it's not possible but in second condition since you too part of the game(your own body is being witnessed) and also it gives the illusion that you can change something(preparing coffee), you consider that orchestration also part of the flow. But you are mistaken. How 'bout we just have differing definitions of the term 'flow' and how it applies to spirituality/loa? Very interesting video, Figs. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 17:25:05 GMT
No, that's not like that. You can be in flow only if you can witness freely. Because your nature is to witness what's arising. Does 'witness freely' mean that the circumstance evokes no emotion?..or just does not evoke negative emotion? Witness freely means movement of perception doesn't include the emotional pull of avoidance to that particular situation. If peace doesn't influence the form, then that's not peace in my view.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 17:26:04 GMT
You are mistaking the meaning of "flow". Take two different condition 1) You are watching a movie 2) You are living your life in reality right now You are witnessing in both of the above conditions, one single difference is, In the first condition you are not witnessing your own body but in second condition you are witnessing your own body, So you are not acting like you are acting in your first condition. In first condition no matter what you would never try to change the game because you know it's not possible but in second condition since you too part of the game(your own body is being witnessed) and also it gives the illusion that you can change something(preparing coffee), you consider that orchestration also part of the flow. But you are mistaken. How 'bout we just have differing definitions of the term 'flow' and how it applies to spirituality/loa? She is talking about creating reality by our desire and how we can make ourselves to align neatly to get what we want, but we are talking about every day life and it's natural flow. Well, she is talking about both actually. AH teachings are all about aligning to get what we want, but they very much stress that there IS a natural flow happening in everyday life, and it's through absence of resistance that we align with that, to experience effortless, manifestation of desire.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 17:33:33 GMT
No, that's not like that. You can be in flow only if you can witness freely. Because your nature is to witness what's arising. Your inherent nature is not changing, yet it is the flow.Sent from my SM-T210R using Tapatalk Assume that you have the power to incarnate while you sleep and everyday when you go to sleep you start to continue your incarnation drama where you left, Now let's assume you incarnate yourself as a tribe in Andaman Nicobar Island, and you absolutely start to react like a tribe not as a source(your name), one day while you are in dream you suddenly realize the truth that you are not that tribe but source the one who comes to ST forum and Figgles Forum to talk about philosophy of life. Once after your realization, how would you react? As a tribe? Or as a source? You would start to react as source,right?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 17:34:42 GMT
How 'bout we just have differing definitions of the term 'flow' and how it applies to spirituality/loa? Very interesting video, Figs. Thank you. This video is about reality creation and how you align yourself with the flow of manifestation.
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Post by Figgles on May 7, 2017 19:56:12 GMT
Does 'witness freely' mean that the circumstance evokes no emotion?..or just does not evoke negative emotion? Witness freely means movement of perception doesn't include the emotional pull of avoidance to that particular situation. If peace doesn't influence the form, then that's not peace in my view. Okay. That is very succinct. So....witnessing means no resistance to what is, and peace means that what arises is in line with what is desired/preferred. Thanks....there we have it then. We define peace differently. For me, peace can arise in the face of form that does not conform to preferences. For you, peace means form conforms to preferences. For what it's worth though, I do see a link between peace and form conforming to preferences, in that, if peace abides for long enough, if one is not actively resisting what is appearing on a fundamental level, appearances will begin to conform 'more' towards that which is preferred, but because physical reality has a certain degree of resistance/contrast inherent within it, there will always be some degree of arising form that does not conform exactly with what is preferred. That divergence between form and preference is imo, the movement of life. If everything that arose was 100% conforming to your liking/preferences, there would be nothing from which the experience of movement forward could gain a foothold. Desire in the form of preferences, is a good thing...not something you want to snuff out. Absent a preference for 'betterment,' life becomes stagnant. If life becomes stagnant, No evolution of form.
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