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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 19:14:50 GMT
It's really not so incredible at all; The conversations are the same because the very same delusions are always in play for the seeker, and those who are awake are always pointing to the same thingless thing, beyond the story that for the seeker, still grips him tightly. The squabbles happen because the ones who are still within the grip of the story, have fear as the basis for not letting go. And that's a very powerful sort of 'glue.' The seeker says he wants freedom, but is unwilling to give up the relative comforts of his jail cell. And those who have tasted the freedom beyond the jail cell, know that those relative comforts are but a pale shade of the Peace inherent in the absence of suffering. Thus, regardless of how tired their arm gets, they keep pointing. The key is to try to look beyond the squabbles to what's actually going on. The key is for the squabblers to disappear. Of course ISR squabblers is the reason it doesn't disappear. It's easier to intellectually squabble about it, than actually abiding in it...
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Post by Figgles on Dec 29, 2019 19:57:28 GMT
It's really not so incredible at all; The conversations are the same because the very same delusions are always in play for the seeker, and those who are awake are always pointing to the same thingless thing, beyond the story that for the seeker, still grips him tightly. The squabbles happen because the ones who are still within the grip of the story, have fear as the basis for not letting go. And that's a very powerful sort of 'glue.' The seeker says he wants freedom, but is unwilling to give up the relative comforts of his jail cell. And those who have tasted the freedom beyond the jail cell, know that those relative comforts are but a pale shade of the Peace inherent in the absence of suffering. Thus, regardless of how tired their arm gets, they keep pointing. The key is to try to look beyond the squabbles to what's actually going on. The key is for the squabblers to disappear. Of course ISR squabblers is the reason it doesn't disappear. It's easier to intellectually squabble about it, than actually abiding in it... What you are missing, is that the two are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 1:02:05 GMT
The key is for the squabblers to disappear. Of course ISR squabblers is the reason it doesn't disappear. It's easier to intellectually squabble about it, than actually abiding in it... What you are missing, is that the two are not mutually exclusive. What everyone in this forum is missing, is that I am talking to 'you' Awareness, and you are responding as the illusory separate self...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 1:27:57 GMT
What you are missing, is that the two are not mutually exclusive. What everyone in this forum is missing, is that I am talking to 'you' Awareness, and you are responding as the illusory separate self... What are you responding as?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 1:52:06 GMT
What everyone in this forum is missing, is that I am talking to 'you' Awareness, and you are responding as the illusory separate self... What are you responding as? Thanks for exemplifying my point...hehe
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Post by Enigma on Dec 30, 2019 13:56:23 GMT
It's really not so incredible at all; The conversations are the same because the very same delusions are always in play for the seeker, and those who are awake are always pointing to the same thingless thing, beyond the story that for the seeker, still grips him tightly. The squabbles happen because the ones who are still within the grip of the story, have fear as the basis for not letting go. And that's a very powerful sort of 'glue.' The seeker says he wants freedom, but is unwilling to give up the relative comforts of his jail cell. And those who have tasted the freedom beyond the jail cell, know that those relative comforts are but a pale shade of the Peace inherent in the absence of suffering. Thus, regardless of how tired their arm gets, they keep pointing. The key is to try to look beyond the squabbles to what's actually going on. Well said. Shadow seems to want continuously fresh discussions that end in agreement and new discovery. That would likely require a showman guru and a continuous flow of adoring seekers. My guess is once he got it he'd have another list of concerns.
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Post by Figgles on Dec 30, 2019 23:11:15 GMT
What you are missing, is that the two are not mutually exclusive. What everyone in this forum is missing, is that I am talking to 'you' Awareness, and you are responding as the illusory separate self... Don't make the mistake of thinking that all engagement with person-hood necessarily equals belief in a separate self. That's brown-bearism at it's best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 23:24:48 GMT
What everyone in this forum is missing, is that I am talking to 'you' Awareness, and you are responding as the illusory separate self... Don't make the mistake of thinking that all engagement with person-hood necessarily equals belief in a separate self. That's brown-bearism at it's best. I said, I am talking to 'you' Awareness...I didn't say I was engageing with 'you' person-hood. And you prove my point by responding as an illusory separate self.
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Post by Figgles on Dec 30, 2019 23:28:52 GMT
Don't make the mistake of thinking that all engagement with person-hood necessarily equals belief in a separate self. That's brown-bearism at it's best. I said, I am talking to 'you' Awareness...I didn't say I was engageing with 'you' person-hood. And you prove my point by responding as a separate self. Oh boy. You have a whole sink load of misconceptions going on apparently. Undifferentiated awareness is not generally known for it's stellar conversational skills.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 0:24:26 GMT
I said, I am talking to 'you' Awareness...I didn't say I was engageing with 'you' person-hood. And you prove my point by responding as a separate self. Oh boy. You have a whole sink load of misconceptions going on apparently. Undifferentiated awareness is not generally known for it's stellar conversational skills. The only misconception here is the belief that the words you are speaking, are actually arising from the grey matter in your head...rofl
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