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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2018 21:29:48 GMT
The "Ocean/Sea" is a reference to that which is ineffable. If you have an 'experience' of it, even one that is 'direct', it's still of the realm of that which appears, thus, not Truthy. Anything short of 'realization' is absent Truth. And the Truth about that which is being pointed to with the term "Ocean" defies all conceptual capture.
Hint; If one is arguing that the Ocean/the ineffable is "alive", he's taken what can only be pointed at and assigned it property/quality/conceptualization.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 23:12:07 GMT
Yes, who cares? is a great question, maybe even the greatest question one can ask. Assuming identification with a separate volitional person is involved, sure. A good question. However... Even after seeing through any and all 'who/what's,' some degree of caring with regards to the dream content, continues. This is what folks seem to be having trouble grasping; that seeing the dream for a dream does not mean the end of all engagement with, all caring 'about' the stuff happening and appearing within the dream. Indeed, the depth of engagement is lessened, as one is no longer 'lost to' or 'immersed fully' within the dream, but there seems to be this misconceived idea that 'if' there is interest, caring, then that somehow indicates identification with a separate volitional person. It doesn't. Post SR there are still things that will be regarded as 'more important' or 'more interesting' than other things, there will still be likes and dislikes, there will still be engagement with the unfolding story and there will still be some degree of 'caring' about all that. I think we’ve all seen hundreds of various “who” questions written on these forums over the years, and I think folks tend to answer them in a similar manner almost every time. And the “who” part is all that matters; but whatever word follows, doesn’t. Also, assuming one is now living in a post SR world is a huge blunder, imo.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2018 23:18:16 GMT
I think we’ve all seen hundreds of various “who” questions written on these forums over the years, and I think folks tend to answer them in a similar manner almost every time. And the “who” part is all that matters; but whatever word follows, doesn’t. Also, assuming one is now living in a post SR world is a huge blunder, imo. Ok. But....If SR is the case... One doesn't 'assume' a post SR world. It involves a realization. And there really is a vast difference between 'how' the world is regarded/seen prior to SR vs. after. Prior, there is world that exists 'out there' that I am in, post, it's clearly seen that the world arises within that which I am.
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Post by muttley on Nov 12, 2018 0:13:29 GMT
If the 'person', such as, oh, let's say, Trump, is merely an appearance that is completely, and un-b-effinglingly full of shit, then who cares? Yes, who cares? is a great question, maybe even the greatest question one can ask. You stole that from the back of Melania's jacket!
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Post by Figgles on Nov 12, 2018 3:21:10 GMT
Hey, that was GOOD! 'just an appearance....cannot stand for itself......borrows it's existence from something else that can stand for itself.' That's just another way of saying that appearances are dependent upon that which I really am...that appearances in and of themselves,have no 'substance.' Nice.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 12, 2018 3:28:57 GMT
And yet, another.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 12, 2018 5:05:25 GMT
The moment you think you know for certain the 'qualities' of Source/God, is the moment you made a lolly-pop out of what should only ever be a pointer. "Quality" is the realm of minding/thought/ideation. None of which have any place in actual 'realization.' You used to know this, what happened?
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Post by Figgles on Nov 12, 2018 5:19:46 GMT
So this quality of aliveness (aware, conscious, intelligent), is it really just a pointer, or an actual recognizable 'quality'? You can't have it both ways.
Read through all three of those posts. You contradict yourself like crazy. On one hand you say we can know these qualities for certain, then you say, "alive" is just a pointer. Clearly you are very confused.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 12, 2018 6:00:14 GMT
Hey, that was GOOD! 'just an appearance....cannot stand for itself......borrows it's existence from something else that can stand for itself.' That's just another way of saying that appearances are dependent upon that which I really am...that appearances in and of themselves,have no 'substance.' Nice. Now that we're all in agreement that the moon only appears in Consciousness when there is awareness of it...
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Post by Enigma on Nov 12, 2018 6:01:42 GMT
And yet, another.
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