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Post by Figgles on Nov 6, 2018 19:01:37 GMT
Where has E ever talked about himself as 'a personal creator/perceiver...personally perceiving/creating the totality'?
You continually do this...just like Tenka does. You take what the other has said, and superimpose your own understandings and then argue the point as though they said it.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 6, 2018 19:07:03 GMT
When you play word games like this, and argue for a particular word just so you can try to come out on top of the argument, keep in mind that what you are arguing for, is actually your own bondage.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 6, 2018 19:14:45 GMT
We do not merely see the belief in SVP to be 'false,' we also see it to be entirely misconceived...the SVP that was at one point experientially 'known' to be in existence, is no longer.....we see that the very position we were looking from, provided a slanted, incomplete view. The view from which that is seen, is now an entirely different one.
For someone who only has a conceptual grasp upon what it means to see through the SVP, what you say makes sense. But not for an actual 'realization' or 'seeing through' of the SVP.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 7, 2018 7:01:59 GMT
Where has E ever talked about himself as 'a personal creator/perceiver...personally perceiving/creating the totality'? You continually do this...just like Tenka does. You take what the other has said, and superimpose your own understandings and then argue the point as though they said it. Yes, and then the whole so called conversation becomes a poopy pants giraffe safari. If I don't join the safari, I'm accused of avoiding the truth. If I spot the giraffes, I'm accused of inconsistency and morphing.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 7, 2018 7:11:43 GMT
When you play word games like this, and argue for a particular word just so you can try to come out on top of the argument, keep in mind that what you are arguing for, is actually your own bondage. And that everybody sees through the TMT, assassinations and flawful logic. (with the possible exception of Andy)
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Post by Figgles on Nov 7, 2018 16:05:07 GMT
Where has E ever talked about himself as 'a personal creator/perceiver...personally perceiving/creating the totality'? You continually do this...just like Tenka does. You take what the other has said, and superimpose your own understandings and then argue the point as though they said it. Yes, and then the whole so called conversation becomes a poopy pants giraffe safari. If I don't join the safari, I'm accused of avoiding the truth. If I spot the giraffes, I'm accused of inconsistency and morphing. freakin' crazy it is.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 8, 2018 20:35:09 GMT
That the waking dream/story has more 'dire' and seemingly more fixed/obvious/predictable consequences is itself just part and parcel of the dream/story itself.
And I hafta say, I've fallen from a very high place in my night time dreams and very much 'felt' a very unpleasant/jarring sort of 'splat,' upon doing so....and upon that jarring feeling, I woke from the dream, instantly. Just like waking reality, the dream character body/mind, was no longer.
Indeed, the parameters of the night time dream appear to be much looser, that said, I've also had dreams where everything was much more difficult than in waking reality...as though I was wearing lead boots...could barely lift my feet of the ground, couldn't dial numbers on a telephone or complete a simple task that I'd have no difficulty performing in waking reality....and I've also had night time dreams where 'within the dream' there was some very dire consequences indeed. It's only upon waking up that it can be said, "whew, no consequences."
Perhaps it's like that when bodily death happens...? We simply 'wake up' into yet another experiential realm...? Fact is, we just don't know for certain while we're still engaged within so called 'physical life experience.'
All the differences that can pointed out are themselves "content" related. Whereas the similarities that can be seen, are from the vantage point of looking 'at' the dream/experience vs. immersion within it.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 10, 2018 21:11:05 GMT
Yes, this is interesting indeed. Reefs does indeed seem to be saying there, that beyond present moment perception of the world, he has knowledge that the world somehow continues to exist 'out there/beyond.' I hafta say, I am genuinely surprised by this because of so much of what he's said in past conversations.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 10, 2018 21:22:24 GMT
I'm sitting here open mouthed. Absent a focus upon the body, absent a focus upon 'looking from beyond eyelids,' the body does very much 'disappear,' in the sense that in a given moment, absent thoughts about the body, "It" is "out of mind." It truly seems like some are back-tracking at this point, heading all the way back to the foot of 1st mountain, packpack filled to the brim with freshly laundered clothes, full lunch kits and an exuberance for 'becoming the very best person I can be.' Holy cow guys.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 10, 2018 21:26:39 GMT
'looking from the body' is experiential. Looking/seeing absent an object, absent an identifiable 'who/that' that looks, is realizational, transcendent. Seems all you can do is speak from the experiential/personal pov...?
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